SHAME on you Britain - Keep off Assange

[lala]

Aug 28, 2012 6:41:01 GMT Repat Van said:

I was being lazy in typing. Even with the addition of "in the circumstances" my point remains. If she clearly consented to continue, in that particular circumstance, I don't see why he should stop, 'just in case' (in Lala's sex world, he would have stopped, drafted a statement and made her sign it but that's by the by...)

I edited the original comment while you were replying to it.

Her consent can not be taken at face value because of the possibility of duress, given that he was already committing a non-consensual sex act that he initiated while she was asleep. As I've said before, rape victims are not required to protest, and may even co-operate through fear of consequences. That is what the Swedes are trying to investigate.

[lala]

Aug 28, 2012 6:40:59 GMT auldhippy said:

Still just ignoring consent, feck it's like even a wank is rape in your mind ifr its Assange. He had consent specific to the sex act the subject of this charge and she knew he was not wearing a condom!

Look who's just making stuff up now, bit rich from someone whogets all precious about his gibbering, inaccurate and dishonest posts being taen the wrong way. What was it you said earlier, "Nothing I have written can in any way be construed in that way"? Dillweed. I'd tell you to grow up, but I suspect it might be a bit late for you.

He did not have consent when he penetrated her, and he had absolutely no reason to think that she would consent to it. That makes it rape under Swedish Law, and English. If she consented afterwards, that is still open to question due to the possibility of duress or coercion. An investigation may clear his of the allegation, but he needs to face up to it for that to happen.

[auldhippy]

At the very least, it merits a full and proper investigation, which Assange is obstructing.

Even when collusion with malicious intent is so self evident?

[lala]

"Collusion with malicious intent" is hardly "self evident", you hysterical booby. Far less evident than a charge of rape, at any rate.

[mids]

What a despicable coward of a man.

[auldhippy]

Of course it's self evident, they colluded before going to the police and again by leaking to Expressen before charges had even been decided upon and again by deleting all their social networking and SMS messages. It calls all their evidence into question.



But then neither Arden nor Wilén complained to the police but rather “sought advice”, a technique in Sweden enabling citizens to avoid just punishment for making false complaints. They sought advice together, having collaborated and irrevocably tainted each other’s evidence beforehand. Their SMS texts to each other show a plan to contact the Swedish newspaper Expressen beforehand in order to maximise the damage to Assange. They belong to the same political group and attended a public lecture given by Assange and organised by them. You can see Wilén on the YouTube video of the event even now.

Of course, their celebrity lawyer Claes Borgström was questioned as to how the women themselves could be essentially contradicting the legal characterisation of Swedish prosecutors; a crime of non-consent by consent. Borgström’s answer is emblematic of how divorced from reality this matter is. “They (the women) are not jurists”. You need a law degree to know whether you have been r-ped or not in Sweden. In the context of such double think, the question of how the Swedish authorities propose to deal with victims who neither saw themselves as such nor acted as such is easily answered: You’re not a Swedish lawyer so you wouldn’t understand anyway. The consent of both women to sex with Assange has been confirmed by prosecutors.
www.crikey.com.au/2010/12/02/when-it-comes-to-assange-r-pe-case-the-swedes-are-making-it-up-as-they-go-along/

[lala]

Yet more biased burbling from people with interests in trumpeting Assange's innocence.

[auldhippy]

Be sure to ask permission to enter your Volvo.

[auldhippy]

Aug 28, 2012 7:41:07 GMT lala said:

Yet more biased burbling from people with interests in trumpeting Assange's innocence.

It's an accurate quotation. In Sweden it is not for the victim to decide if they've been raped!

[voice]

well technically always the court who has the final say if someone has been raped, and unfortunately rape has one of the lowest conviction rates of any crime. Though not many have gone to the ends JA has gone to avoid justice.

[auldhippy]

Aug 28, 2012 15:22:56 GMT voice said:

well technically always the court who has the final say if someone has been raped, and unfortunately rape has one of the lowest conviction rates of any crime. Though not many have gone to the ends JA has gone to avoid justice.

He is not avoiding justice, he is avoiding arrest.

He voluntarily went to the police to be questioned even after the women had leaked their story to Expressen and the prosecutors corroberated identities and details to Expressen. He even insisted his cooperation not be leaked, it was.

It was found the was no suggestion of rape, He remained in Sweden until told he could leave.

You too are simply ignoring he had consent and that the women are not claiming rape. This is a state led investigation and it is now the state who are not facilitating an expeditious end or progress towards prosecution. Plenty of precedent for them to question suspects elsewhere than Sweden.

[voice]

while you are simply bending over backwards to give this sex pest all and every benefit of doubt cos he pissed off the US. If he'd been some GOP war lackey I doubt you'd have spent 30 pages defending the slimy cnut.

[auldhippy]

Actually the benefit of any doubt is what everyone is entitled to.

He's also pissed off the BNP, Scientologists, Kenya, fraudulent banks, whole host of awful folk.

[auldhippy]

Julian Assange has predicted that he will remain inside an embassy in London for "six to 12 months".

The Wikileaks founder is in Ecuador's embassy, fighting extradition to Sweden over sexual assault claims.

In a interview broadcast in Ecuador, Mr Assange said the Swedish authorities dropping the case against him is "the most likely scenario".

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19433294

[lala]

It would appear his hosts are not so keen on Mr Assange's plans on staying for a year:

Ecuador's Foreign Minister Ricardo Patino has proposed that WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange be transferred from London to Sweden, where he would remain under Quito's protection.

Patino on Friday told journalists Ecuador was weighing such a transfer as a possible alternative for Assange to "remain under our protection while also satisfying the demands of the Swedish justice system."

Assange took shelter in the Ecuadorian embassy in London in June after exhausting all appeals against extradition from Britain to Sweden, where he is wanted for questioning over sexual assault allegations. Ecuador has granted him diplomatic asylum.

The 41-year-old Australian fears Sweden will hand him over to the United States, where he could face prosecution over the release of a vast cache of leaked Iraq and Afghanistan war reports and diplomatic cables.

Patino hinted to "new" developments in the Swedish case, saying "several elements of proof have been dismissed," though he declined to provide further details.
He stressed that the best option, in Ecuador's view, would be for Britain to grant Assange safe passage.

On the margins of next week's United Nations General Assembly in New York, Patino plans to discuss Assange's case with his British counterpart William Hague.

[mids]

Decided that having a rapey creep in your house isn't a good idea after all, eh?