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Post by rick49 on Apr 24, 2015 14:52:43 GMT
Stop looking at doom-mongers? There's nothing but doom-mongers. The newspapers, television,,,everywhere you look it's doom-mongering. And the threat of DDT is real, unlike the man-made co2 stuff.
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Post by jimboky on Apr 24, 2015 15:20:32 GMT
what makes todays doom-mongers different then those of the 70's?, the 80's,,,,
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Post by flatandy on Apr 24, 2015 15:25:17 GMT
Depends what you mean by doom mongers, really. If you mean the massive majority of physical scientists, who have an entirely clear, well known, well observed mechanism where the physical results match the models... well, there's that it's a massive majority of scientists, etc, etc...
If you mean the people who are talking about the consequences of a 10 degree rise in temperatures, the complete melt of the ice-sheets, the release of all the absorbed methane in the oceans, etc... well, they are the ones cherry picking every extreme consequence and extrapolating to the next most extreme consequence. And there's no difference.
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Post by voice on Apr 24, 2015 16:43:49 GMT
That's the thing with science, as the facts change or new knowledge and understanding change, science changes, sometimes on a dime, as opposed to those with belief, spiritual or in this case political, it's the opposite. To quote Tim Michin
'Science adjusts it's beliefs based on what's observed
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved'
Nothing is going to persuade the likes of Jim and Rick, as to accept the science as it means they and the politicians they follow have been wrong (well in the case of the politicians they accept they lied through their teeth paid for by the big polluters to do so), and I doubt they could ever live with that.
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Post by jimboky on Apr 24, 2015 18:32:17 GMT
A few years ago they would simply kill a virgin when there was "bad" weather, today they want to kill SUV s for the same reason
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Post by voice on Apr 24, 2015 20:17:36 GMT
you don't have spout some shite mate.
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Post by flatandy on Apr 24, 2015 20:36:46 GMT
Although even if it were true, killing an SUV would definitely be preferable to killing a virgin.
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Post by rick49 on May 13, 2015 5:40:54 GMT
The lefts famed "tolerance." "Concerned about climate change, WWU students seek to revoke ‘climate agnostic’ Ericksen’s degree""Why try to revoke his degree?" “It gives students a point of agency, some kind of power,” Kennedy said. “We’re framing it in a more radical way,” D’Angelo said. “We’re not just trying to have a conversation with him or hold him accountable. We’re trying to revoke his degree and get people to pay attention.” tinyurl.com/m2d4nug"believe what we believe,,,or else!" Isn't the 21st century great? |
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Post by Chromo on May 13, 2015 7:44:45 GMT
Anybody can believe anything they like! What is important is what we KNOW! As FA says, most scientists now agree that climate change is happening faster than it did in the past! "No scientific body of national or international standing maintains a formal opinion dissenting from any of these main points. Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, as evidenced by increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, the widespread melting of snow and ice, and rising global average sea level. Most of the global warming since the mid-20th century is very likely due to human activities. Benefits and costs of climate change for society will vary widely by location and scale. Some of the effects in temperate and polar regions will be positive and others elsewhere will be negative. Overall, net effects are more likely to be strongly negative with larger or more rapid warming. The range of published evidence indicates that the net damage costs of climate change are likely to be significant and to increase over time. The resilience of many ecosystems is likely to be exceeded this century by an unprecedented combination of climate change, associated disturbances (e.g. flooding, drought, wildfire, insects, ocean acidification) and other global change drivers (e.g. land-use change, pollution, fragmentation of natural systems, over-exploitation of resources) The last national or international scientific body to drop dissent was the American Association of Petroleum Geologists, which in 2007 updated its statement to its current non-committal position. Some other organizations, primarily those focusing on geology, also hold non-committal positions." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 6:47:01 GMT
Interesting angle the other night on the box saying just how dangerous a small rise in planetary temperature was by comparing the body temperature of warm-blooded creatures, including humans; that an overall three or four degree rise would likely kill us all. Never looked at it that way before.
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Post by flatandy on May 14, 2015 13:32:23 GMT
It's interesting as an analogy, but you shouldn't take it too far... You'll start being in Jim Lovelock Gaia territory and start talking about the earth itself running a fever to try and kill off the parasites/bacteria that are making it sick, blah blah blah.
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Post by mids on May 14, 2015 13:55:50 GMT
It's raining here. What does it all mean?
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Post by flatandy on May 14, 2015 14:03:37 GMT
I believe that means you live in England.
Rain is forecast here. Some forecasts predicting up to 1.5 inches of rain in the next 48 hours. Which would be something like 15% of our annual average rainfall, and 500% of the average May rainfall...
Perhaps our drought is easing, the same as the Texas one is right now.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 15:17:43 GMT
It's interesting as an analogy, but you shouldn't take it too far... You'll start being in Jim Lovelock Gaia territory and start talking about the earth itself running a fever to try and kill off the parasites/bacteria that are making it sick, blah blah blah. Don't we have 100 years left according to him and certain others? I tend to agree about that. But it's more about pollution than climate change. On the other hand, planet Earth's a tough old bird. |
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Post by flatandy on May 14, 2015 15:26:10 GMT
The planet's fine. It's going to be around for several billion more years.
Life on earth is fine. Evolution makes it astonishingly resilient.
Humans will probably survive several thousand more years, maybe lots more, but that's a harder question. More to the point is if we are able to sustain living without lots of extra, unnecessary, death and suffering.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 15:41:14 GMT
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Post by moggyonspeed on May 14, 2015 15:53:17 GMT
Oxford. Mid-May. And it's effin' freezing.
Evidence-based science at its best.
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Post by flatandy on May 14, 2015 16:06:18 GMT
My recollection is that Oxford's generally nice in late April but crappy in mid May.
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Post by mids on May 14, 2015 16:09:11 GMT
Yeah it's not very global warm in Cambridge either.
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Post by moggyonspeed on May 14, 2015 21:41:22 GMT
"... Oxford's generally nice in late April but crappy in mid May."
Big clue coming up: today it ain't generally nice.
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