Toasty!

[rick49]

"As FA says, most scientists now agree that climate change is happening faster than it did in the past!"

When the warmthers keep changing and fiddling with past data until it supports their computer models, of course it looks like it's happening faster.

tinyurl.com/oo7rxbh

"2012: ‘A Record Data Tampering Year': "

tinyurl.com/nw9qjt4

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Heatwave @ 30 deg two days ago here in France. Today cold and wet. Springs have been getting wetter for about eight years now.

[mids]

It's not raining here any more. Significant?

[Deleted]

You're in Morocco?

[flatandy]

May 15, 2015 8:03:26 GMT mids said:

It's not raining here any more. Significant?

It's probably caused by El Nino.

[rick49]

"INDICATIONS ARCTIC MAY BECOME TEMPERATE ZONE"

"it (article) predicts a long term dramatic change may be possible in the Arctic, describing “unheard of temperatures reported in the Arctic zone”. Further, reports indicate “great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones” indicating glacier retreat. The report goes on to say that “At many points, well known glaciers have entirely disappeared” and “Everywhere, rocks are exposed that never before have been touched by the sun’s rays, and some large snow fields presumably everlasting, have disappeared entirely."

"All indications are that the Arctic is undergoing and irreversible change."

tinyurl.com/ln2j3wa

Written almost a century ago, long before Al Gore, Michael Mann, James Hansen and the Great Panic began. Sounds, word for word, suspiciously like any The End Is Nigh article vomited out by the media today.

[rick49]

Feel the guilt,,,even you vegans and vegetarians!

"The average American consumes more than 300 gallons of California water each week by eating food that was produced there."

"Your Contribution to the California Drought"

tinyurl.com/n77qvuz

A few of the foods you should never, ever eat if you want to save not just California, but the rest of the planet,,,grapes (or grape products), rice, avacado, almonds, olives, melons, processed tomatoes, broccoli, oranges (or orange products), lettuce, peaches, or bread.

[lala]

Plenty of water about, just not in California. The logical answer would be to close down California and leave it to beasts designed to live in the desert.

[flatandy]

Nonsense, Lala. As you can see from Rick's link, basically the only food that the US produces that's not corn or wheat is grown in California. If you're an American who eats fruit or salad or vegetables, rather than a grazing ruminant, you really are utterly dependent on California.

Or if you eat almonds anywhere on the planet.

And therefore owe us water. Should pay us for the water of ours you are consuming. Because almost nowhere on the planet has California's perfect food-growing climate. Which means you should all walk or swim to California bringing your water to us, to help us keep you alive. If, for example, you lived in Boston last winter, you could have done your duty by bringing all that snow you didn't want to the top of the Sierra Nevada mountains, to allow us to keep feeding you.

If California only had to feed Californians, we'd have more than enough water. It's the rest of you that want lettuce in winter, or berries outside of a 2 month window, or citrus, or nuts, or artichokes, or almost anything that's not a grain or a cow, that are the problem.

[lala]

Surely the free market will take care of this? Almonds just need to find their natural market price, which looks like being about US$1 million each.

[flatandy]

Only if the genuine cost of water was included in their price of almonds. At the moment water is treated as an infinite common good.

[mids]

In praise of fossil fuels: fcuking brilliant, really.

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[mids]

[rick49]

"California Drought Tests History of Endless Growth"

"A punishing drought is forcing a reconsideration of whether the aspiration of untrammeled growth that has for so long been the state’s engine has run against the limits of nature."

“Mother Nature didn’t intend for 40 million people to live here,” said Kevin Starr, a historian at the University of Southern California who has written extensively about this state. “This is literally a culture that since the 1880s has progressively invented, invented and reinvented itself. At what point does this invention begin to hit limits?”

"An estimated 38.8 million people live in California today, more than double the 15.7 million people who lived here in 1960, and the state’s labor force exploded to 18.9 million in 2013 from 6.4 million people in 1960."

“For over 10,000 years, people lived in California, but the number of those people were never more than 300,000 or 400,000,” Mr. Brown said. “Now we are embarked upon an experiment that no one has ever tried: 38 million people, with 32 million vehicles, living at the level of comfort that we all strive to attain. This will require adjustment. This will require learning.”

"This disconnect, as it were, can be seen in places like Palm Springs, in the middle of the desert, where daily per capita water use is 201 gallons — more than double the state average. A recent drive through the community offered a drought-defying tableau of burbling fountains, flowers, lush lawns, golf courses and trees. The smell of mowed lawn was in the air."

"But the drought is now forcing change in a place that long identified itself as “America’s desert oasis.” Palm Springs has ordered 50 percent cuts in water use by city agencies, and plans to replace the lawns and annual flowers around city buildings with native landscapes. It is digging up the grassy median into town that unfurled before visitors like a carpet at a Hollywood premiere. It is paying residents to replace their lawns with rocks and desert plants, and offering rebates to people who install low-flow toilets."

tinyurl.com/ngpfnjl

California has always been prone to multi-year mega-droughts. Nothing surprising/unusual about this one. This is a classic case of overpopulation outstripping resources.

[rick49]

The warmthers are sick and tired of the lack of warming for the last almost 20 years,,,so what to do, what do do? Just alter past data like they always do until it fits The Narrative. Easy, peasy. Viola,,,no more pause!

"in order to do away with the pause (much as warmists have tried to erase the Medieval Warm Period), the authors adjust pre-pause temperatures downward. Presto! No more 18-year plateau."

tinyurl.com/ph89rtb

"NOAA/NCDC’s new ‘pause-buster’ paper: a laughable attempt to create warming by adjusting past data"

tinyurl.com/qe8va6v

[lala]

You should consult less biased sources.

Of course, there will be predictable accusations of “fudging data” made by those who invariably reject the results of climate science. For that reason, it’s worth remembering that the net result of all the adjustments climate scientists make to these records is less warming over the last century.

Here

What fiends! Promoting the idea of climate change by reducing the amount of climate change!

[flatandy]

It's the middle of winter here.

In June!

And it's cold! In Africa.

Something is wrong. Badly wrong. The whole climate system is screwy.

[Deleted]

Yep. A degree or two global rise throws everything into turmoil. We're in for an interesting future.

[mids]

It's a bit dreich here in Edinburgh. I thought we were promised that Scotland would be exactly like Southern California by 2009, according to Global Warming?