Toasty!

[lala]

Hence, "for things like flight which is unlikely to be divorced from fossil fuels for a long time, prices will have to sky rocket to compensate from emissions."

[nobody]

And why your ideas are totally impractical


Until the oil runs out, none of your schemes will work.

And even then, most are fantasy

[lala]

Mar 24, 2016 7:37:06 GMT nobody said:

And why your ideas are totally impractical


Until the oil runs out, none of your schemes will work.

And even then, most are fantasy

Hence, "the rest of them are perfectly doable if our lords and masters decide it is worth doing. Given their lack of concern for the little people, I'm not overly optimistic.

[nobody]

Well, if you really think that they are doable, you're in fantasy land.


You never said where all the materials were coming from to build these "flood defences"

[lala]

Mar 24, 2016 7:02:35 GMT nobody said:

Prevention, item 2.

Try telling that to farmers who are cutting down trees to get themselves a standard of living comparable to yours.

It's nice you don't consider it realistic, and say Its because I don't demand realism

The reason they are cutting down trees is because that is a way to make money and obtain that standard of living.

If they have an alternative that means they can attain that standard of living without deforestation, then it isn't unreasonable to expect them to change their behaviour.

I did not identify that option as unrealistic. It's actually one of the more realistic ones, if the elite decide it is more in their interest to save the world than it is to destroy it.

[lala]

Mar 24, 2016 7:43:39 GMT nobody said:

Well, if you really think that they are doable, you're in fantasy land.


You never said where all the materials were coming from to build these "flood defences"

The stuff we usually use.

I'm aware that making cement involves producing CO2.

[nobody]

What alternative has the Amazonian farmer got?


You need a lot more than just cement, and again you dodge the question as to where it comes from.

Unless you agree with my suggestion about umpteen posts ago.

Dig a big hole, let it fill with the water, and build an island/ mountain with the spoil

[nobody]

Anyway, my flight has been called, time to burn some fossile fuel.

[lala]

Mar 24, 2016 7:50:03 GMT nobody said:

What alternative has the Amazonian farmer got?

I refer you to Mitigation, point 4. We create an alternative. And stop expecting food to be cheap.

You need a lot more than just cement, and again you dodge the question as to where it comes from.

Unless you agree with my suggestion about umpteen posts ago.

Dig a big hole, let it fill with the water, and build an island/ mountain with the spoil

We have lots of rocks. We can mine the Himalayas for all I care. I don't like mountains, particularly.

[Deleted]

Nb's about right here. There's no hope. Slippery slope mate.

[lala]

Nb is wrong. There is hope. We probably won't take advantage of it. Millions will die and all our lives will be worse. And because the Internet will go down I won't even get to say "I told you so."

[Deleted]

Burning plastic smoke signals.

[flatandy]

There's not much hope if people think that unless we go into hairshirts and start living in caves then there's no point in doing anything at all.

The sad thing is that humanity will eventually have to cope with hundreds of millions of displaced people, find ways to deal with salinated soil, and find ways to create freshwater once there's much less snow and glacier melt to provide drinking water. It'll happen. It would just be better if we did it now, rather than in two decades when it's actually a massive crises and lots of people are already dead and when the costs will be much higher because we'll be fixing problems rather than mitigating or preventing them.

[Deleted]

We've taken the wrong path. We're profit orientated. Until man changes his basic 'me' mentality we'll continue onward to disaster.

[nobody]

Mar 24, 2016 7:56:28 GMT lala said:

Mar 24, 2016 7:50:03 GMT nobody said:

What alternative has the Amazonian farmer got?

I refer you to Mitigation, point 4. We create an alternative. And stop expecting food to be cheap.

You need a lot more than just cement, and again you dodge the question as to where it comes from.

Unless you agree with my suggestion about umpteen posts ago.

Dig a big hole, let it fill with the water, and build an island/ mountain with the spoil

We have lots of rocks. We can mine the Himalayas for all I care. I don't like mountains, particularly.

Dont go knocking the Himalayas down, you'll need the high ground for your dis-placed migrants

[nobody]

Mar 24, 2016 14:35:34 GMT flatandy said:

There's not much hope if people think that unless we go into hairshirts and start living in caves then there's no point in doing anything at all.

The sad thing is that humanity will eventually have to cope with hundreds of millions of displaced people, find ways to deal with salinated soil, and find ways to create freshwater once there's much less snow and glacier melt to provide drinking water. It'll happen. It would just be better if we did it now, rather than in two decades when it's actually a massive crises and lots of people are already dead and when the costs will be much higher because we'll be fixing problems rather than mitigating or preventing them.

Well, you asked why I mentioned American gas guzzlers, escaped your attention they run on fossile fuel.

[lala]

Um, no, you asked, "Have the Americans given up their cars yet?" - which isa bizarre non-argument as Andy is not suggesting that Americans have done enough.

Though If there was a hit list of Things Americans Must Give Up, cars would not be at the top. That would be fossil fuel power stations and hamburgers.

[flatandy]

Indeed, as lala says, cars and planes are way down the list. They produce perhaps 20% of the US's greenhouse emissions. And, frankly, they're harder to shift to being carbon neutral than heating homes and businesses, for example. Half the country should be running on solar all the time.

And, as it happens, Americans are moving from gas guzzlers to electric cars now that people are building electric cars that function as well as gas guzzlers. Which is always the key to changing peoples' behaviours. Give them a choice that doesn't make their life more crappy and they're much more willing to take it.

[lala]

Out of interest, nb, given you accept climate change is happening, albeit you attribute it to a mysterious 'climate cycle' that has eluded scientists, what steps do you think we should be taking to mitigate the effects of a warming world?

[nobody]

Giant showers that will orbit the Earth, giving off a cooling effect, just like when you come in out the garden after your workout.

There is no mystery about "climate cycle" the climate has been changing ever since the World was formed.

Some of the change is to do with the Earths tilt, a very gradual change, but a change none the less.

I don't claim that mankind hasn't helped to change it either, but the chances that you have any way to reverse it is "pie in the sky"

This idea you have about flood defence is frankly ridiculous. Build a sea wall all around the UK for example, and we'd be living in a big bowl, then we'd need huge pumps to pump the water out, into the sea, and then we'd have to build the wall higher.