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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on Jul 9, 2016 10:01:27 GMT
Why will it go back up? What makes you think so? Of course, my cash is not actually the big thing here - but Scoobs asked. I'm more concerned about all my European friends not having their lives dictated to them by bureaucratic little hitlers in the UK borders agency and by dome idiotic quota setter in the Tory government. I'm more concerned about the attitude international cooperation. I'm more concerned about all the other stuff that leaving the EU means. You'll have noticed I didnt mention my cash and income until Scoobs asked. But I am pretty sure I'd hear some spectacular whining if income tax went up 15% on your entire salary, and was spent on literally nothing. Why is it going up a good thing? Apart from your pocket, that is.
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Post by mids on Jul 9, 2016 11:58:53 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2016 13:14:36 GMT
"Right now it feels like the whole of British politics and society has been divided into two; the one half symbolised by ‘white van man’, the manual worker of low educational achievement, parading the national flag from the window of his work vehicle; the other half symbolised by the bearded hipster — his trips to Berlin for art, Ibiza for dancing, now in question, and the assumed cultural dominance of his social liberalism and anti-racism under threat." "Economically there is no design for a post-EU Britain but the near certainty of a short-term recession; socially Britain is divided so viscerally it feels like a culture war; and with Scotland on the way out, the United Kingdom is headed for breakup." Here...
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 10, 2016 20:39:59 GMT
While Brexit has just made the cultural divide a lot more obvious it has always been there. I am surprised some people were ignorant of the matter.
Also, what exactly is so bad about the UK breaking up?
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 10, 2016 20:49:11 GMT
That's a brilliant article by the way OneofThe.
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 11, 2016 0:23:43 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 6:13:55 GMT
Liked this bit esp.:
"But instead of a community, it built a market. Bristling with commissioners, rules for member states, penalties for its peoples, yet wide open to competition among workers, soulless and with only one aim — to serve the wealthiest and best connected in financial centres and major metropolises."
I'm just sad that the UK has chosen this rather aggressive route to change things in what, to me at least, seem ultimately selfish and inconsiderate for millions of others. Why could not our Euro-MPs have done a better job in implementing change, instead of this 'rendering asunder' so reminiscent of the mob? This has been change by hooliganism.
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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on Jul 11, 2016 6:40:29 GMT
Liked this bit esp.: "But instead of a community, it built a market. Bristling with commissioners, rules for member states, penalties for its peoples, yet wide open to competition among workers, soulless and with only one aim — to serve the wealthiest and best connected in financial centres and major metropolises." I'm just sad that the UK has chosen this rather aggressive route to change things in what, to me at least, seem ultimately selfish and inconsiderate for millions of others. Why could not our Euro-MPs have done a better job in implementing change, instead of this 'rendering asunder' so reminiscent of the mob? This has been change by hooliganism. We did ask nicely to change things, but the panjandrums of the EU gave that short shrift.
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 11, 2016 6:42:41 GMT
Do you think the UK could have changed things? I genuinely don't believe so. I think there is one future vision for the EU and it will be just about how much of the UK want to sign up for a federal EU.
Maybe that was Cameron's problem, holding the referendum too early.
In 20 years I think the population would be more on board with it.
I also don't see why it's hooliganism. It's what the majority want. Whether you disagree with what they want is neither here nor there. If a future referendum had seen the majority vote for us to sign up to be a state within a federal European state, join Schengen and the Eurozone I would think they were mad but accept it. i wouldn't see it as hooliganism because I disagreed.
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 11, 2016 6:44:01 GMT
Liked this bit esp.: "But instead of a community, it built a market. Bristling with commissioners, rules for member states, penalties for its peoples, yet wide open to competition among workers, soulless and with only one aim — to serve the wealthiest and best connected in financial centres and major metropolises." I'm just sad that the UK has chosen this rather aggressive route to change things in what, to me at least, seem ultimately selfish and inconsiderate for millions of others. Why could not our Euro-MPs have done a better job in implementing change, instead of this 'rendering asunder' so reminiscent of the mob? This has been change by hooliganism. Interestingly that last point is why parts of the traditional Left (such as Crow/ Benn/Corbyn) were/are against the EU project. And of course it's corrupt and anti-democratic.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 6:57:50 GMT
The 'hooliganism' was, as I saw it, that caused by the gang leaders to incite the mob: The Mail. The Express. The Sun. The Telegraph. Farage. Gove. Johnson. All of these whipped up the mob and they went for it, hook, line and sinker; not because they understood anything about the pros and cons of the EU, but because most of them were basically pissed off with their own paltry, tiny little lives, and wanted change for the sake of it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 7:02:16 GMT
I earn money from the UK and it's almost certainly going to have to change across the board: "New government figures have revealed just how important our filmmakers, musicians, artists and other creatives are to our economy, contributing £84 billion a year. The number of jobs in creative industries has risen nearly 20 per cent since 2011 to 1.9 million, the Department for Culture, Media & Sport revealed this week. Unfortunately, the announcement is almost certainly a response to Brexit - the government trying to curb the projected decline in revenue following the UK’s decision to leave the EU." Here...
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 11, 2016 8:05:39 GMT
The 'hooliganism' was, as I saw it, that caused by the gang leaders to incite the mob: The Mail. The Express. The Sun. The Telegraph. Farage. Gove. Johnson. All of these whipped up the mob and they went for it, hook, line and sinker; not because they understood anything about the pros and cons of the EU, but because most of them were basically pissed off with their own paltry, tiny little lives, and wanted change for the sake of it. That's not hooliganism (and The Times came out in support of Remain). They made have manipulated some people's anger with the worst excesses/negative impacts of the EU but then Remain's job was to sell the benefits to all groups of people. That they failed to do that is their own failing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 8:37:43 GMT
This is what I said the other day: I'm not sure the 'remain' camp was exactly that - Cameron and co set the whole thing up for capitalist (and personal financial) reasons, but couldn't cause an exit without major damage to themselves. So they wound-up the stooges Gove and Johnson, who fell straight into the trap blinded by their petty dreams of power. With the EU threat of financial investigation out of the way after a Brexit, Cameron and all his monied buddies can now take firmer control of their own destinies.
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Post by wetkingcanute on Jul 11, 2016 8:43:45 GMT
Last week Forterrs, one of Britain's biggest brick makers, said it would moth-ball plants in Accrington and Claughton, both in Lancashire, ahead of a potential downturn in construction. The towns are in boroughs that voted 66% and 63% respectively, for Brexit. The brick factory closures will put more than 60 people out of work.
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 11, 2016 8:45:19 GMT
Last week Forterrs, one of Britain's biggest brick makers, said it would moth-ball plants in Accrington and Claughton, both in Lancashire, ahead of a potential downturn in construction. The towns are in boroughs that voted 66% and 63% respectively, for Brexit. The brick factory closures will put more than 60 people out of work. That's said - but evidently the townspeople who voted Leave had broader reasons for voting.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 8:53:10 GMT
"Harvey Weinstein, major film producer and co-chairman of The Weinstein Company:
“I’m shocked and the thing that surprised me the most is a great Prime Minister like David Cameron resigning. From his point of view — history is important to these guys in a big way — he didn’t want to preside over a disaster and wanted to save his reputation as a great Prime Minister. He’ll be proven right. This is not about economics, this is about immigration. They don’t want Muslims in the country. These guys who voted, voted out of fear. It’s a huge mistake.""
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 11, 2016 9:12:19 GMT
"Harvey Weinstein, major film producer and co-chairman of The Weinstein Company: “I’m shocked and the thing that surprised me the most is a great Prime Minister like David Cameron resigning. From his point of view — history is important to these guys in a big way — he didn’t want to preside over a disaster and wanted to save his reputation as a great Prime Minister. He’ll be proven right. This is not about economics, this is about immigration. They don’t want Muslims in the country. These guys who voted, voted out of fear. It’s a huge mistake."" Not more of the "leavers = racist xenophobes" tosh again. Are they not over this line of argument?
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Post by Whiterum on Jul 11, 2016 9:12:32 GMT
What I found astonishing during the referendum , was all the scaremongering from both sides from politicians, (using peoples fears is nothing new) and the lies from politicians ( which is nothing new either) so i have come to the conclusion that we need a revolution,(which still may happen if nothing changes to the extent for people who voted exit are hoping for ) because I can only assume that the Brexiters ( that reminds me, where have those politicians who campaigned exit, gone?) they are expecting too much to change, and it's not going to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 9:29:44 GMT
The main thing that'll change is the transparency into personal wealth of UK public figures threatened by the EU: it'll not happen now.
Cameron declared £30k offshore, for example. No-one puts £30k offshore.
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