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Post by nobody on Jul 8, 2016 23:15:17 GMT
Why will it go back up? What makes you think so? Of course, my cash is not actually the big thing here - but Scoobs asked. I'm more concerned about all my European friends not having their lives dictated to them by bureaucratic little hitlers in the UK borders agency and by dome idiotic quota setter in the Tory government. I'm more concerned about the attitude international cooperation. I'm more concerned about all the other stuff that leaving the EU means. You'll have noticed I didnt mention my cash and income until Scoobs asked. But I am pretty sure I'd hear some spectacular whining if income tax went up 15% on your entire salary, and was spent on literally nothing. I think you've lost the plot FA. You need to chill, and think logically. |
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Post by voice on Jul 8, 2016 23:15:35 GMT
what if it takes a year to go up, those pensioners on fixed income have to suffer a massive pay cut cos of this stupid and unnecessary clusterfuck, its all fine and dandy when its not you facing the pain, and all this bullshit about having to pull together won;t pay their bills, cos its them pulling while you idiots push
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Post by nobody on Jul 8, 2016 23:20:03 GMT
I hope they have good and loving son's and daughters to help them out, particularly the ones who left the UK
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Post by voice on Jul 8, 2016 23:23:04 GMT
some do, many will not, and many will be very uncertain of their ability to stay where they retired to, being old and afraid is no fun thing, and it should never have been allowed to happen.
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Post by lala on Jul 8, 2016 23:47:24 GMT
Of course it's not a Trivial matter. Hence why she has said it shouldn't be rushed. If you expect her to draw up plans immediately it's you who views it as a trivial matter. I don't think they want to hold off on year end till they select a PM... I would expect candidates to be able to provide a vision and a plan. Otherwise, what is the point of trying to choose between them, since we haven't a clue how different candidates intend on confronting the issue that is likely to define their premiership? If the candidates aren't able to provide that vision and plan, then the contest is being held too early. Nice work, Dave. |
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 9, 2016 0:43:20 GMT
Why will it go back up? What makes you think so? Of course, my cash is not actually the big thing here - but Scoobs asked. I'm more concerned about all my European friends not having their lives dictated to them by bureaucratic little hitlers in the UK borders agency and by dome idiotic quota setter in the Tory government. I'm more concerned about the attitude international cooperation. I'm more concerned about all the other stuff that leaving the EU means. You'll have noticed I didnt mention my cash and income until Scoobs asked. But I am pretty sure I'd hear some spectacular whining if income tax went up 15% on your entire salary, and was spent on literally nothing. Because it always has. A two week blip is nothing in the grand scheme of the markets. |
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 9, 2016 0:43:57 GMT
Of course it's not a Trivial matter. Hence why she has said it shouldn't be rushed. If you expect her to draw up plans immediately it's you who views it as a trivial matter. I don't think they want to hold off on year end till they select a PM... I would expect candidates to be able to provide a vision and a plan. Otherwise, what is the point of trying to choose between them, since we haven't a clue how different candidates intend on confronting the issue that is likely to define their premiership? If the candidates aren't able to provide that vision and plan, then the contest is being held too early. Nice work, Dave. It's not being held too early. We need a PM before January. We don't need to trigger Article 50 any time soon. One focus at a time. I don't want any plan until they know who the PM will be and the actual negotiation team (as selected by the PM.) I think you must be on a wind up or just deliberately stupid. |
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 9, 2016 0:46:14 GMT
what if it takes a year to go up, those pensioners on fixed income have to suffer a massive pay cut cos of this stupid and unnecessary clusterfuck, its all fine and dandy when its not you facing the pain, and all this bullshit about having to pull together won;t pay their bills, cos its them pulling while you idiots push It may take longer. As we viewed with other shocks in the markets (such as the GFC.) And we'll deal with it. |
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 9, 2016 0:46:58 GMT
some do, many will not, and many will be very uncertain of their ability to stay where they retired to, being old and afraid is no fun thing, and it should never have been allowed to happen. Yes - BOOOOO! Democracy! |
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Post by flatandy on Jul 9, 2016 1:19:08 GMT
Because it always has. A two week blip is nothing in the grand scheme of the markets. It really hasn't. It was $2.40 when I was born. It hasn't been that high since the early 80s. It's been above $2 for a handful of months since 1985, it was over $2 for almost all the time before that. There's no reason to assume the pound will rise again. We can hope. But it's not guaranteed, and it doesn't happen through magic or wishful thinking. |
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Post by flatandy on Jul 9, 2016 1:20:57 GMT
I don't want any plan until they know who the PM will be and the actual negotiation team Really? So you'd vote for someone without them giving you a manifesto, or even suggestions, on the most important decisions facing them? It's bizarre to pick a PM without them telling you what they intend to do. |
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 9, 2016 3:07:42 GMT
I don't want any plan until they know who the PM will be and the actual negotiation team Really? So you'd vote for someone without them giving you a manifesto, or even suggestions, on the most important decisions facing them? It's bizarre to pick a PM without them telling you what they intend to do. We aren't talking about a general election but the leader of the party. And who think will be the best person to lead that party. It wouldn't be based on somebody who hurriedly cobbled together a negotiation strategy with no understanding of the weight of legislation they will have to undo and replace. And if they have any chance of progressing their preferred strategy. It's not like May was Brexit. I don't think waiting until January is a wise choice and luckily most sensible people concur. Hence them urging prioritising selection of a leader. It's about far more than merely exiting the EU. |
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 9, 2016 3:08:33 GMT
Because it always has. A two week blip is nothing in the grand scheme of the markets. It really hasn't. It was $2.40 when I was born. It hasn't been that high since the early 80s. It's been above $2 for a handful of months since 1985, it was over $2 for almost all the time before that. There's no reason to assume the pound will rise again. We can hope. But it's not guaranteed, and it doesn't happen through magic or wishful thinking. True but nothing changes through whining either. Markets go up and down all the time. |
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 9, 2016 4:08:34 GMT
As we continue to reflect on what happens next I have read some Interesting articles on the matter. I found the following interesting because the reality is neither side will be completely happy with whatever follows next. Both will have to deal with disappointments due to trade-offs and compromises. But I think that's probably for the best given the 48/52 and the country belongs to all of us. Given May is Remain I think she is going to try and fight for a Norweigian model. Which will piss of those who want us to be able to have full control over our borders and reduce the amounts paid to the EU. It will piss off internationalists who don't see themselves as British but instead see Britainas nothing more than a regional area in the EU (like how others may view Leeds in Britain.) blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/need-second-referendum-eea/And will another referendum be held on the option? (Although I don't think it's an option the EU would never allow it). |
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Post by lala on Jul 9, 2016 4:30:47 GMT
It's not being held too early. We need a PM before January. We don't need to trigger Article 50 any time soon. One focus at a time. I don't want any plan until they know who the PM will be and the actual negotiation team (as selected by the PM.) I think you must be on a wind up or just deliberately stupid. We have a PM. His name is David Cameron. He was under no obligation to resign, and decided on a completely arbitrary deadline for the contest. If the candidates don't have time to put together some sort of vision and plan, so 'we' can vote on that, then it is being held too early. Not that I believe it is. They could hammer out something if they wanted to. The contenders simply don't want to have to commit to anything so they have more room to be useless after they have won. Again, nice work, Dave. You seem to think 'we' should select a Prime Minister and just hope they have a clue as to what to do about the most pressing issue of their tenure. Seems like madness to me. Still, feel free to carry on making yourself sound nonsensical. |
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 9, 2016 4:43:45 GMT
It's not being held too early. We need a PM before January. We don't need to trigger Article 50 any time soon. One focus at a time. I don't want any plan until they know who the PM will be and the actual negotiation team (as selected by the PM.) I think you must be on a wind up or just deliberately stupid. We have a PM. His name is David Cameron. He was under no obligation to resign, and decided on a completely arbitrary deadline for the contest. If the candidates don't have time to put together some sort of vision and plan, so 'we' can vote on that, then it is being held too early. Not that I believe it is. They could hammer out something if they wanted to. The contenders simply don't want to have to commit to anything so they have more room to be useless after they have won. Again, nice work, Dave. You seem to think 'we' should select a Prime Minister and just hope they have a clue as to what to do about the most pressing issue of their tenure. Seems like madness to me. Still, feel free to carry on making yourself sound nonsensical. We don't have a PM. He resigned. He is merely in caretaker role until his successor steps in. Seeing as everybody is panicking about what uncertainty does to the market just waiting without a PM until the end of the year won't help. You seem to be confusing selection of a Conservative party leader with a general election. I don't think "we" should be selecting a PM. I think the Conservative party need to decide who they think the most capable party leaders will be and select that party. Now. Not in January 2017. But as ever you are wrong and luckily more sensible people are moving on with what needs to be done. First step - elect a leader. Next step - assemble a team and debate on best strategy. That you think May should do that alone within 2 weeks makes you calling me silly rather laughable. |
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 9, 2016 4:54:34 GMT
But your opinion on it is pretty irrelevant now - the Tories are proceeding with electing themselves a leader.
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Post by nobody on Jul 9, 2016 7:33:24 GMT
Because it always has. A two week blip is nothing in the grand scheme of the markets. It really hasn't. It was $2.40 when I was born. It hasn't been that high since the early 80s. It's been above $2 for a handful of months since 1985, it was over $2 for almost all the time before that. There's no reason to assume the pound will rise again. We can hope. But it's not guaranteed, and it doesn't happen through magic or wishful thinking. And did the World grind to a shuddering halt? As for your figures, they went up and down before brexit. Markets adjust. If Labour had their way we'd all be on the same wage anyway. You deal in two currencies, your choice, your risk. |
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Post by lala on Jul 9, 2016 8:22:25 GMT
We don't have a PM. He resigned. He is merely in caretaker role until his successor steps in. David Cameron is still Prime Minister. He has indicated he will relinquish leadership of the Conservative Party and when he does this he will effectively cease to be Prime Minister. but he is currently the Prime Minister. He even said so when he was announcing his resignation: But the British people have made a very clear decision to take a different path, and as such I think the country requires fresh leadership to take it in this direction.
I will do everything I can as Prime Minister to steady the ship over the coming weeks and months, but I do not think it would be right for me to try to be the captain that steers our country to its next destination.
This is not a decision I’ve taken lightly, but I do believe it’s in the national interest to have a period of stability and then the new leadership required. There is no need for a precise timetable today, but in my view we should aim to have a new Prime Minister in place by start of the Conservative Party conference in October.
Delivering stability will be important, and I will continue in post as Prime Minister with my cabinet for the next three months.
link Still, feel free to carry on arguing that he isn't, when he is. (Anticipates increasing levels of sematic floundering. Just accept he still is and get over yourself.) This is nonsense as we have a Prime Minister, as explained above. Wrong? I'm not the one trying to claim the Prime Minister isn't the Prime Minister. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2016 8:49:50 GMT
"So you'd vote for someone without them giving you a manifesto, or even suggestions, on the most important decisions facing them?"
Ha ha ha ha
Noooooooo, of course not.
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