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Post by auldhippy on Jul 19, 2016 12:21:42 GMT
Not "cheap" at all. Indeed I doubt any UK Corp could afford to buy it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2016 12:27:23 GMT
Sold when the £ was at a low.
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Post by flatandy on Jul 19, 2016 13:03:03 GMT
I'm also confused why taking back control of one's country from foreign forces is bad when talking about Britain and the EU but good when talking about the UK's colonial past. Odd that. If Britain was "under control" of "Foreign forces" you might have the starting point of a case. But if you genuinely think that Britain being in the EU is like India under Lord Clive then you really need to stop and take a long hard look at yourself. |
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Post by clarity on Jul 19, 2016 13:32:10 GMT
Border controls are explicitly xenophobic. I'd be interested in hearing your argument to support that assertion. |
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 19, 2016 13:34:19 GMT
Border controls are explicitly xenophobic. Another one with poor grasp of the English language. Silly man. |
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Post by auldhippy on Jul 19, 2016 13:35:11 GMT
Because they exist only to keep foreigners out.
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 19, 2016 13:35:42 GMT
I'm also confused why taking back control of one's country from foreign forces is bad when talking about Britain and the EU but good when talking about the UK's colonial past. Odd that. If Britain was "under control" of "Foreign forces" you might have the starting point of a case. But if you genuinely think that Britain being in the EU is like India under Lord Clive then you really need to stop and take a long hard look at yourself. Of course I don't. I am just pointing out that when Britons say they would rather their laws were set by their own parliament they are seen as small minded xenophobes, yet those who make this argument are passionate critics of colonialism. Doesn't make one jot of sense. |
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Post by auldhippy on Jul 19, 2016 13:36:32 GMT
Border controls are explicitly xenophobic. Another one with poor grasp of the English language. Silly man. Explain please. |
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 19, 2016 13:36:39 GMT
Because it makes life massively easier for people travelling, and does no harm. So, you know, why not? But why? Why is it necessary? Current border controls really don't create too much of a fuss for people travelling and prevents harm so why do we need to join Schengen? |
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 19, 2016 13:37:11 GMT
Another one with poor grasp of the English language. Silly man. Explain please. It's self explanatory. You don't know what xenophobic means. |
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Post by auldhippy on Jul 19, 2016 13:39:29 GMT
If Britain was "under control" of "Foreign forces" you might have the starting point of a case. But if you genuinely think that Britain being in the EU is like India under Lord Clive then you really need to stop and take a long hard look at yourself. Of course I don't. I am just pointing out that when Britons say they would rather their laws were set by their own parliament they are seen as small minded xenophobes, yet those who make this argument are passionate critics of colonialism. Doesn't make one jot of sense. Are you not also a critic of colonialism? We had as much input over EU laws as anyone. |
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Post by auldhippy on Jul 19, 2016 13:42:29 GMT
It's self explanatory. You don't know what xenophobic means. It means dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries. Keeping them out is explicitly xenophobic unless tainted with Australian logic. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Jul 19, 2016 13:42:47 GMT
Plenty of borders are used to keep the native population in just as much as foreigners out.
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Post by clarity on Jul 19, 2016 13:42:51 GMT
Posted by auldhippy
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Because they exist only to keep foreigners out.
No they don't. They exist so that a country has control over who come in because they don't want people with a history of crime and violence and who are wanted for various crimes in their own country. They also exist because countries don't want people arriving with no skills who plan to take advantage of benefits which have been paid for by existing hard working citizens. They also exist because countries don't want guns or drugs smuggled in. Those foreigners who have legal documents, landed immigrants, refugees, travel visas etc. have no problem entering a country with border controls, so you're argument that it discriminates against foreigners doesn't stand up.
Xenophobia must be the buzz word of the minute for the far left. I've seen it bandied about so much lately in the UK press.
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Post by flatandy on Jul 19, 2016 13:43:58 GMT
If Britain was "under control" of "Foreign forces" you might have the starting point of a case. But if you genuinely think that Britain being in the EU is like India under Lord Clive then you really need to stop and take a long hard look at yourself. Of course I don't. I am just pointing out that when Britons say they would rather their laws were set by their own parliament they are seen as small minded xenophobes, yet those who make this argument are passionate critics of colonialism. Doesn't make one jot of sense. So you don't think it's like colonialism, but you do think it is? And you think British laws are not made by the British parliament? |
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 19, 2016 13:45:30 GMT
It's self explanatory. You don't know what xenophobic means. It means dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries. Keeping them out is explicitly xenophobic unless tainted with Australian logic. Yes. Exactly. And as border controls have nothing to do with fear, prejudice or dislike they aren't inherently xenophobic. Come on it's not hard. (And it's not just Australia that has border controls numb nuts, every country on the planet has them. Every single country.) You may as well argue that male toilets are explicitly sexist. Or Afro hairdressers are explicitly racist. Jesus but you're a retard. |
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 19, 2016 13:46:12 GMT
Of course I don't. I am just pointing out that when Britons say they would rather their laws were set by their own parliament they are seen as small minded xenophobes, yet those who make this argument are passionate critics of colonialism. Doesn't make one jot of sense. Are you not also a critic of colonialism? We had as much input over EU laws as anyone. Input is not control is it. |
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Post by flatandy on Jul 19, 2016 13:46:20 GMT
Because it makes life massively easier for people travelling, and does no harm. So, you know, why not? But why? Why is it necessary? Current border controls really don't create too much of a fuss for people travelling and prevents harm so why do we need to join Schengen? Because it improves things for some people and does no damage. So why not do away with unnecessary bureaucracy? Also, current border controls do create quite a lot of trouble for a fair number of my friends. US friends, in particular, who have residency rights within the EU, often end up collared by UK Borders Wankers and held for hours. For no good reason. |
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Post by auldhippy on Jul 19, 2016 13:46:52 GMT
Plenty of borders are used to keep the native population in just as much as foreigners out. Yes but then we're the foreigners! Very few countries require an exit visa. Saudi springs to mind.; |
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 19, 2016 13:47:32 GMT
But why? Why is it necessary? Current border controls really don't create too much of a fuss for people travelling and prevents harm so why do we need to join Schengen? Because it improves things for some people and does no damage. So why not do away with unnecessary bureaucracy? Also, current border controls do create quite a lot of trouble for a fair number of my friends. US friends, in particular, who have residency rights within the EU, often end up collared by UK Borders Wankers and held for hours. For no good reason. It's not unnecessary. It keeps people in jobs and checks people have the right to be here. There is no need for us to join, if there was we would have. Your friend's inconvenience really is irrelevant. |
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