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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on Jul 7, 2016 21:41:35 GMT
No, it's the duty of the people who voted in to shut up f*cking moaning.
F*ck off. You f*cking lost now shut the f*ck up for f*ck's sake.
F*ck off. The F8cking lot of you.
If you can't say something positive don't f*cking speak.
I'm off to kick a pole.
Just by the by why does my cleaner turn up in a Merc and I've got a sh*tty renault?
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Post by flatandy on Jul 7, 2016 21:52:03 GMT
Why is it our duty to shut up.
Having lost, all we have left is the ability to carp from the sidelines and to ask what the f**k the people who are running the shitshow are actually going to do.
At the moment, the answer is: "absolutely f**k all".
And the fact that the various Brexiters on this site have resorted to hurling insults at us instead of suggesting how it might proceed just proves the point.
You won. What are you going to do with it? Just use it to mock those who wanted to remain? That's a pretty pathetic trophy to take with you.
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 7, 2016 22:16:45 GMT
That depends on how many other jobs are lost as a result of tax hikes elsewhere or as a result of lower government revenues and therefore lower government spending. (Hopefully, if we do it, George will just borrow to fund it, because borrowing is still dirt cheap for Britain). Remember that even if you believe Laffer Curve bullshit, there's still an inflection point somewhere. (Also, even if it does create jobs and reduce tax avoidance, that still means it's effectively an emergency budget, which I think is the point Bertie is making) It's not an emergency budget if it's a planned long term change. The Bremainers were harping on about businesses leaving yet are still unhappy at measures to encourage even more businesses here/to stay. It's almost as if now it's just whining whining whining. |
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Post by nobody on Jul 7, 2016 22:23:29 GMT
Why is it our duty to shut up. Having lost, all we have left is the ability to carp from the sidelines and to ask what the f**k the people who are running the shitshow are actually going to do. At the moment, the answer is: "absolutely f**k all". And the fact that the various Brexiters on this site have resorted to hurling insults at us instead of suggesting how it might proceed just proves the point. You won. What are you going to do with it? Just use it to mock those who wanted to remain? That's a pretty pathetic trophy to take with you. If you think anything at all about the UK, you should accept the result, live with it, work with it, get fcuking on with it, and stop being so fcuking negative. Honestly, all the people who don't like the result, need to grow up. |
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Post by flatandy on Jul 7, 2016 22:34:26 GMT
I accept the result. And I want Britain to negotiate an exit that looks as close to Remaining as possible.
Now, what about the Brexiters? What do they want? Apart from to hide away from any responsibility, and not offer any suggestions?
I've not seen one yet on this thread, for example.
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 7, 2016 22:34:38 GMT
It's not a red mullet now. Because somebody actually has to lead the Exit. Which means that they have to have the faintest f**k**g idea (a) how they're going to start to negotiate and (b) what they're trying to get out of the negotiations. We're two weeks in and still nobody has come up with anything. Everyone is hiding under their duvets hoping somebody else will do the work. It's still a moronic idea, because the best case scenario now is an EEA type solution, but that's not actually going to have resolved anything with the majority of Brexiters. But also, once again, it's not the duty of the people who think that staying in the EU is clearly much much better for us to work out how to get out. Because our solution is going to be "The thing that looks most like remaining in the EU". It's just TWO WEEKS!!! May had already said they don't envisage any commencement of negotiations /triggering of Article 50 won't happen until late this year at the earliest which makes perfect sense. We need a conservative leader firstly, then they need to decide their strategy (given May was Remain) and go from there. Why are people expecting everything to be resolved in 2 weeks. |
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Post by flatandy on Jul 7, 2016 22:36:27 GMT
Who said anything about resolved? I wanted someone to have some idea what was going to happen before we voted on whether it was going to happen. How the process would start. What the desired goal was.
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Post by nobody on Jul 7, 2016 22:41:14 GMT
I accept the result. And I want Britain to negotiate an exit that looks as close to Remaining as possible. Now, what about the Brexiters? What do they want? Apart from to hide away from any responsibility, and not offer any suggestions? I've not seen one yet on this thread, for example. You may have accepted it, you don't like it, and you are rebleing against it. Carpe Diem |
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Post by flatandy on Jul 7, 2016 22:57:03 GMT
I'm pointing out why it's stupid, yes. Because it is.
But I'm also asking people what the f**k they're planning to do to make it actually happen. The fact that nobody has any idea is pretty damning. The fact that every Brexiter on this thread has merely said "stop whining" when I asked what they wanted exit to look like is pretty damning. And very pathetic. They won, but it looks like they don't have any idea what they've won apart from the ability to mock people who wanted to Remain. I'm sure that makes them feel all warm and moist in their underwear, but it doesn't seem like a particularly big prize.
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 7, 2016 23:21:48 GMT
I'm pointing out why it's stupid, yes. Because it is. But I'm also asking people what the f**k they're planning to do to make it actually happen. The fact that nobody has any idea is pretty damning. The fact that every Brexiter on this thread has merely said "stop whining" when I asked what they wanted exit to look like is pretty damning. And very pathetic. They won, but it looks like they don't have any idea what they've won apart from the ability to mock people who wanted to Remain. I'm sure that makes them feel all warm and moist in their underwear, but it doesn't seem like a particularly big prize. And you've been told: The Conservatives need to actually elect their leader, likely to be May. May has no intention of triggering Article 50 until she and her cabinet have devised the negotiation strategy she wants to proceed and they can't proceed until the referendum decision is passed through parliament. Ok you don't want them to wait but they can't actually trigger article until the above has happened. So what is the point in wailing on about what it not happening right now, in this very moment? <Edit> As for what I want Exit to look like, it's where we maintain our status as a sovereign state, use the money currently sent to the EU internally, allow EU citizens currently living and working here to access a more preferable residency scheme (i.e. not apply any changes to migration policy retrospectively) and get on with drafting trade agreements both with EU countries but also taking advantage of being outside of the EU to not be bound when seeking to draft trade agreements internationally (the EU's share of global trade has diminished since we first joined.) Whether this happens or not is completely out of my hands however so I am happy to wait to see how May and her government proceeds with this. |
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Post by flatandy on Jul 7, 2016 23:29:22 GMT
Look, I know perfectly well that they're going to wait until after this election. But that doesn't mean we can't know what they're planning on trying to do. Not a "negotiation strategy". Just a question of whether it's article 50 or not, and if so when. And what an ideal end-game is.
It's moronic for Leadsom and May to campaign for leadership without saying whether they'd prefer a Norwegian solution or a WTO(+) solution or a No Brexit solution. Because that's surely the most critical question for leadership voters, isn't it?
Also, at a minimum, give me an idea of what you, or Baloo, or Ming, or any Brexiter here, wants Brexit to look like. Go on. Give us a clue.
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Post by flatandy on Jul 7, 2016 23:31:47 GMT
It's basically pathetic. In fact, for all of May's flaws, she seems to be the only non-pathetic one out there, she's outlined a vague hint of how it works. Yet she campaigned to Remain.
Not one of the Leaders of the Leavers has even gone that far. The leavers are deserting rats. All of them are completely f**k**g useless, ball-less, miserable cowards.
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 7, 2016 23:32:36 GMT
Look, I know perfectly well that they're going to wait until after this election. But that doesn't mean we can't know what they're planning on trying to do. Not a "negotiation strategy". Just a question of whether it's article 50 or not, and if so when. And what an ideal end-game is. It's moronic for Leadsom and May to campaign for leadership without saying whether they'd prefer a Norwegian solution or a WTO(+) solution or a No Brexit solution. Because that's surely the most critical question for leadership voters, isn't it? Also, at a minimum, give me an idea of what you, or Baloo, or Ming, or any Brexiter here, wants Brexit to look like. Go on. Give us a clue. How on earth can you know what May is planning to do given she was Remain. She probably doesn't know yet. IT'S BEEN TWO WEEKS!!!! You want a candidate who was pro-Remain to tell you what her exit negotiation strategy is 2 weeks post a referendum where nobody expected an Exit win? You're being rather ridiculous now (and Ming is not a Brexiter.) PS - I completely agree with you on the Leavers who have decided they can't be arsed to work on implementing what they campaigned for. Completely beneath contempt. I just don't think criticism of May, for not having a negotiation strategy, makes sense. Moaning won't help, you just have to wait. |
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Post by flatandy on Jul 7, 2016 23:44:42 GMT
I just defended May (probably when you were writing that post). She's not at fault here, as far as I can tell.
It's the Brexiters who were and are at fault, who campaigned for and won something, but don't seem to know what. And that includes the Brexiters on this site.
Saying "Well, we'll just have to wait and see" is silly: "I want this. I'll wait and see what it is."
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 8, 2016 0:28:22 GMT
I just defended May (probably when you were writing that post). She's not at fault here, as far as I can tell. It's the Brexiters who were and are at fault, who campaigned for and won something, but don't seem to know what. And that includes the Brexiters on this site. Saying "Well, we'll just have to wait and see" is silly: "I want this. I'll wait and see what it is." Well it's silly demanding of the Brexiters on this site what the next steps are when they zero ability to impact that. I've put what I would like to see but in reality as I have no part to play in negotiations I will just have to wait and see and vote accordingly in the next elections. |
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Post by flatandy on Jul 8, 2016 0:49:23 GMT
What (realistically) would you like to see? I'm not sure I ever saw that?
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 8, 2016 0:51:57 GMT
What (realistically) would you like to see? I'm not sure I ever saw that? I added it above. |
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Post by flatandy on Jul 8, 2016 0:57:14 GMT
Ah, OK. You'd go for a WTO-plus sort of scheme. Not part of the Single Market at all, but negotiating trade deals independently, and with full control of migration into and out of the UK. That's actually a more serious and coherent answer than I've seen from almost any Brexiter. Thanks.
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 8, 2016 1:05:33 GMT
I'd be happy for us to even have free movement with some EU countries, i.e. my (unrealistic) preference is to wind back the expansion and boot out Greece and Italy for good measure.
But's what done is done.
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Post by lala on Jul 8, 2016 8:02:40 GMT
No, it's the duty of the people who voted in to shut up f*cking moaning. F*ck off. You f*cking lost now shut the f*ck up for f*ck's sake. F*ck off. The F8cking lot of you. If you can't say something positive don't f*cking speak. I'm off to kick a pole. Just by the by why does my cleaner turn up in a Merc and I've got a sh*tty renault? We had a referendum in 1975, but the 'Out' crowd didn't stop f**k**g moaning, did they? We've got 40 years of moaning credit. |
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