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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 10, 2019 17:51:34 GMT
Perhaps because some of those bases have closed, the routes have altered due to changes in operations or technology has Improved.
You do know Croydon Aerodrome is a business park now, don't you?
RAF Kinloss, now a big army base. Etc.
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 10, 2019 17:52:25 GMT
You're the one that made the claim. Do you even know which great circle paths you are referring to? Could be one of many.
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Post by flatandy on Sept 10, 2019 17:52:45 GMT
Another claim about the routes, this time them having changed. Care to tell me what those routes are?
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 10, 2019 17:57:08 GMT
Why would they have changed? You do know what they are don't you?
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Post by voice on Sept 10, 2019 18:01:18 GMT
Really, we don't need to speculate, it's there in the reporting, even though it's a totally trivial point to focus on given the real story is about someone deciding to prop up an airport that was under review to be closed and a resort owned by the president thats loosing money hand over foot and would have lost much more by the closure of Prestwick.
Anything of substance to say about the real story?
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Post by flatandy on Sept 10, 2019 18:02:13 GMT
For f**k**g f**k's sakes. That was your f**k**g claim, all of 10 minutes ago. Perhaps ... the routes have altered due to changes in operations or technology has Improved.
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Post by flatandy on Sept 10, 2019 18:03:08 GMT
You're making claims about the routes without providing anything to back it up.
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 10, 2019 18:22:37 GMT
It could be any route between two points, passing in rough proximity to Prestwick. Or even a patrol pattern.
Don't be silly.
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Post by voice on Sept 10, 2019 18:33:13 GMT
so, still focusing on trivia while ignoring the actual story. How you.
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Post by flatandy on Sept 10, 2019 18:35:18 GMT
Right. You're claiming that there are routes between two unstated points where the only stopping point is Prestwick. Which is so vague as to be meaningless.
But that's not the question.
The first question is whether any of the 900 flights that have landed at Prestwick in the Trump presidency should have been going to Prestwick. You seem to have made that claim despite not knowing the routes of the flights in question.
The second question is whether the personnel should have been staying at Turnberry.
And the third, most important, question is whether Trump should profit from US federal funds during his presidency, thanks to decisions made by people who are in his debt for their position.
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 10, 2019 18:35:27 GMT
I've disproved the story. I'm just pointing out why it's guff.
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Post by voice on Sept 10, 2019 18:36:15 GMT
wow, you sound like you actually believe that.
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 10, 2019 18:37:36 GMT
Right. You're claiming that there are routes between two unstated points where the only stopping point is Prestwick. Which is so vague as to be meaningless. But that's not the question. The first question is whether any of the 900 flights that have landed at Prestwick in the Trump presidency should have been going to Prestwick. You seem to have made that claim despite not knowing the routes of the flights in question. The second question is whether the personnel should have been staying at Turnberry. And the third, most important, question is whether Trump should profit from US federal funds during his presidency, thanks to decisions made by people who are in his debt for their position. No. I proved that there are routes where Prestwick is the best option.. as it isn't a large military base with messing facilities alternative accommodation needs to be acquired. What would you do, billet them on civ pop?
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Post by Marshall on Sept 10, 2019 18:40:48 GMT
Donald Trump entered a partnership with a Scottish airport in 2014, before launching his White House bid, that routinely sent flight crews to his Turnberry resort, The New York Times reported Monday. It's an arrangement that contrasts with the President's recent claims that he knows "nothing" about Air Force crews staying at his resort amid growing criticism over the matter. Scottish government documents obtained by the Times show the Trump Organization made an arrangement with officials at Glasgow Prestwick Airport that routinely sends flight crews to Trump's Turnberry resort. A decision by the Pentagon to increase its use of the airport to refuel Air Force flights in 2015 had local airport officials sending flight crews to hotels in the area for overnight stays, including Turnberry, according to the paper. Trump "played a direct role in setting up" the deal at the time, the Times said. The arrangement -- and Trump's recent denial of involvement in it -- underlines another set of ethical questions around the President's continued ownership of his business. Before his inauguration in January 2017, Trump pledged to transfer his business holdings to a trust run by his adult sons but refused to sell his ownership stake, a step that many ethics lawyers say is critical to avoid conflicts of interest. According to The Times, Air Force stops at Glasgow Prestwick rose from 180 in 2017 to 257 in 2018 and 259 already in 2019. The Air Force says the airfield's increased usage derived from a flight directive issued to mobility crews in June 2017, which it said was "designed to increase efficiencies." Air Force officials are now formally tallying the number of times military crews were sent to Trump Turnberry as a result, the Times said. The controversy over military personnel accommodations at Trump properties comes after Vice President Mike Pence's recent decision to stay at Trump's resort in Doonbeg, Ireland -- hours away from his scheduled events in Dublin -- led Democrats on the House Oversight and Judiciary committees to demand documents about how the decision was made. www.cnn.com/2019/09/09/politics/trump-scotland-airport-turnberry-resort/index.html
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Post by Marshall on Sept 10, 2019 18:41:50 GMT
I know it's really hard to believe that Trump lied, but there you go.
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Post by flatandy on Sept 10, 2019 18:42:06 GMT
No. I proved that there are routes where Prestwick is the best option.. as it isn't a large military base with messing facilities alternative accommodation needs to be acquired. What would you do, billet them on civ pop? Proved? Hahahahahahahaha! Holy crap. Also, if they can stay in a hotel 30 miles away, they can stay in a cheaper hotel 10 miles away not owned by the President.
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 10, 2019 18:44:11 GMT
Except that there's a renowned golf-course, subsidised by The Donald for US service personnel in transit.
There's no scandal here.
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Post by flatandy on Sept 10, 2019 18:46:57 GMT
Hilarious.
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 10, 2019 18:51:17 GMT
What is? Do try a d be coherent. It's girlish intrigue. Easily debunked.
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Post by flatandy on Sept 10, 2019 18:57:25 GMT
(a) That renownedness of a golf-course is relevant to its suitability for billetting. (b) That you can state that there's no scandal here. There might not be (although that's unlikely), but it's literally impossible to tell, which is exactly the problem with someone in power not divesting, which is exactly why literally every other job in the US executive requires the holder to divest.
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