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Post by flatandy on Aug 1, 2017 16:47:05 GMT
Basically, they're going to do nothing until Trump's demise is inevitable. And then they'll claim that they were defending the Republic against him all along.
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Post by voice on Aug 1, 2017 16:53:34 GMT
a few small signs of strains over his attacks on Sessions, though as he lacks the balls to tackle Sessions head on and sack him, knowing the far right (Trump's base) love how evil Sessions is, and given Sessions has wanted to be AG for years I can't see him resigning as soon as I thought he might, he's enjoying taking voting rights and other rights away from non whites far too much.
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Post by auldhippy on Aug 1, 2017 17:02:05 GMT
The amount of "talking the talk but not walking the walk" about Trump's malfeasance that the Republicans are doing is amazing. It's not just McCain. Graham and Sasse have been at it. Jeff Flake (AZ senator up for re-election next year) has just published a book attacking Trump and demanding a return to constitutional and institutional norms. And yet he's voted for every single thing Trump has proposed, and has gone along with every institution changing tactic from Mitch McConnell. It's an amazing form of either actual lying or astonishing self-deception. To be fair McStrangelove did hand the pee pee dossier to the FBI who could hardly let a lead from a senator slide resulting in Obama & candidate Trump being briefed. Probably leaked it too. |
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Post by flatandy on Aug 1, 2017 17:10:20 GMT
McCain has at least actually made one vote which backs up his bullshit. The others are all mouth and no trousers.
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Post by auldhippy on Aug 1, 2017 17:24:48 GMT
There were two GOP women senators who voted against but then whinged about not getting the same credit as McStrangelove because they were women. They didn't have brain tumours though.
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Post by flatandy on Aug 1, 2017 17:55:19 GMT
In fairness to Collins, at least, she has actually stood up to Trump on a number of occasions.
I'll let you have her as maybe being the one Republican who is actually trousers as well as mouth.
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Post by flatandy on Aug 1, 2017 18:01:42 GMT
Interesting story out today (I feel like you could write that every day).
This one seems to be small beer - Fox News made up a story to discredit the Clinton Campaign.
But it may turn out to be bigger.
The back story is that a Democratic staffer, Seth Rich, was murdered last year. The Republicans and Fox have spent a long time focussing on this murder. And have repeatedly had people (Sean Hannity in particular) suggest that Rich was murdered in a conspiracy because he was responsible for leaking all those DNC e-mails. That stuff was always bollocks, but it always looked like part of the usual Smear-Hillary stuff, where nutters associate her with all kinds of deaths, pretending that they're murders ordered by her.
Anyway, today's story comes from a Fox contributor and PI who was asked to investigate this death. He was, apparently, repeatedly attributed quotes he never made on Fox. And these were all enhancing the idea that Rich leaked the e-mails.
The false story that was released, we learn today, was released because the Republicans and Trump campaign were deliberately trying to deflect people from looking at Russia when it came to the emails. It looks like a deliberate act to try and hide the Russian involvement.
This is bad enough. But it also appears that the story actually crossed Trump's desk - basically, Trump was complicit in this attempt to conceal Russian involvement in the hacking of the Democrats...
And, worst of all for Trump, this is the kind of thing that might end up in court, and therefore require all kinds of legal tests of truthfulness.
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Post by flatandy on Aug 1, 2017 18:02:08 GMT
(It might be a total nothingburger of a story, but it has the feel of a small story that could be a very big deal)
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Post by auldhippy on Aug 1, 2017 19:19:12 GMT
Interesting story out today (I feel like you could write that every day). This one seems to be small beer - Fox News made up a story to discredit the Clinton Campaign. But it may turn out to be bigger. The back story is that a Democratic staffer, Seth Rich, was murdered last year. The Republicans and Fox have spent a long time focussing on this murder. And have repeatedly had people (Sean Hannity in particular) suggest that Rich was murdered in a conspiracy because he was responsible for leaking all those DNC e-mails. That stuff was always bollocks, but it always looked like part of the usual Smear-Hillary stuff, where nutters associate her with all kinds of deaths, pretending that they're murders ordered by her. Anyway, today's story comes from a Fox contributor and PI who was asked to investigate this death. He was, apparently, repeatedly attributed quotes he never made on Fox. And these were all enhancing the idea that Rich leaked the e-mails. The false story that was released, we learn today, was released because the Republicans and Trump campaign were deliberately trying to deflect people from looking at Russia when it came to the emails. It looks like a deliberate act to try and hide the Russian involvement. This is bad enough. But it also appears that the story actually crossed Trump's desk - basically, Trump was complicit in this attempt to conceal Russian involvement in the hacking of the Democrats... And, worst of all for Trump, this is the kind of thing that might end up in court, and therefore require all kinds of legal tests of truthfulness. Yeah I followed this & yes Trump did tweet it. That the DNC was a leak & not a hack is confirmed by Craig Murray who collected a pen drive for wikileaks (not saying they weren't also hacked). The guys dead though so any first amendment stuff shouldn't preclude Murray confirming the ID so likely not. I really can't fathom why anyone listens to Hannity. |
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Post by flatandy on Aug 1, 2017 19:47:08 GMT
I'm not sure I'd trust Craig Murray on much, these days. He seemed to go a bit crazy after his Uzbek escapades.
And are you really saying that the DNC Podesta emails weren't sourced through Russia?
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Post by voice on Aug 1, 2017 20:08:10 GMT
those who have a wide on for Assange have long been conflicted on his role as Putins useful idiot, and OH won't be the first to try and sell you the same tale as Trump and co does that Russia was not involved.
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Post by auldhippy on Aug 1, 2017 20:31:00 GMT
I'm not sure I'd trust Craig Murray on much, these days. He seemed to go a bit crazy after his Uzbek escapades. And are you really saying that the DNC Podesta emails weren't sourced through Russia? Yes the Gov did question his stability after he embarrassed them but his blog is remarkably lucid. That is what Murray & Wikileaks claim & I'd believe them over our or the US gov every time. |
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Post by auldhippy on Aug 1, 2017 20:37:34 GMT
those who have a wide on for Assange have long been conflicted on his role as Putins useful idiot, and OH won't be the first to try and sell you the same tale as Trump and co does that Russia was not involved. I fully expect Russia to be hacking everyone almost exactly like the US hacked & hacks everybody but I believe Wikileaks. What is it about the US gov that gives you such faith in their integrity? Interfering in US elections eh, what the feck do you think AIPAC do & for whom? The US has interfered in every election in South America & the ME for decades. We do it with our Arabic & Persian BBC world service. The whole hacking thing is a storm in a teacup. Likely Trump is up to his pet hair with laundering for Russian mobsters (Huff post recently hinted the No Trannie tweets were a distraction from a witness to the Senate intel committee last week making just these assertions) & for that alone be disqualified from being POTUS but the idea of Putin installing a Manchurian Candidate is preposterous. If not we should just surrender because we're in a super hero movie with Putin as the villain but without the superhero. Blackmail perhaps even likely but not collusion. |
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Post by flatandy on Aug 1, 2017 20:51:42 GMT
Did anyone say that the US doesn't interfere in foreign elections?
That's a remarkably big leap from the claim that the DNC emails came from Russia hacks. And not from some imaginary whistleblower who leaked to Craig Murray.
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Post by auldhippy on Aug 1, 2017 21:00:35 GMT
I was just pointing out the hypocrisy. I didn't make any claim that anyone claimed to have said it. I said it.
Funny how trumped up sex charges can negatively impact the integrity of someone who has several awards for truth in journalism.
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Post by flatandy on Aug 1, 2017 21:02:42 GMT
By the way, I don't doubt that this stuff was leaked to Murray. I just suspect that he was a willing idiot, happy to take the stuff and not enquire too deeply as to its provenance.
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Post by clarity on Aug 1, 2017 21:25:47 GMT
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Post by flatandy on Aug 1, 2017 21:29:01 GMT
And yet Flake hasn't once voted against Trump, a Trump nominee, McConnell's anti-institutionalist actions in the senate, Trumpcare, or anything else.
The only time he stood up to Trump was on the 98-2 vote on Russia Sanctions where his arse was covered by the fact that he did what everyone else was doing, and he didn't take a hint of a risk.
All mouth, no trousers.
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Post by auldhippy on Aug 1, 2017 21:41:55 GMT
By the way, I don't doubt that this stuff was leaked to Murray. I just suspect that he was a willing idiot, happy to take the stuff and not enquire too deeply as to its provenance. Precisely and since Wikileaks do not write stories they only authenticate what is leaked to them. No one has questioned their authenticity so authentication worked. They do not only publish stuff if they think it honourable, just authentic. It's a much vaunted criticism of them by actual press. They publish secret stuff the public should know which incidentally is not a crime under the first amendment, stealing it is but not publishing it. |
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Post by clarity on Aug 1, 2017 21:51:43 GMT
Well quite. The majority of them are wimps and not an ounce of integrity in any of them. Publicly they support Trump but privately they are are beginning to crack and they're saying so to reporters off-camera according to a trusted CBC reporter.
@ Andy.
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