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Post by jimboky on Dec 5, 2017 4:06:45 GMT
So this is how congress legislates now. A few of them go behind closed doors to draft a 500-page tax bill, then only release it to the rest of the Senate two hours before the vote. No time to read it of course (it even has ineligible cursive scrawled in the margins), so a motion is made to delay the vote. Having a majority, the Republicans quash that and vote along party lines to pass the thing, which most of them never even read. Sounds like fascism to me. Remember Obama Care getting passed? |
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Post by flatandy on Dec 5, 2017 4:37:25 GMT
Took about 2 years, went through full process, every version spent months in committee, and it was passed with a proper unfilibustered 60 votes in the Senate, not through cheaty reconciliation rules - playing procedural games with democracy. Yes, I remember that, and how different it was to this.
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Post by voice on Dec 5, 2017 16:42:02 GMT
This could get very interesting, snowflake has threatened to sack Mueller if he ever went after his money. www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42240588US special counsel Robert Mueller has asked Germany's Deutsche Bank to provide records of accounts held by Donald Trump, according to reports. Mr Mueller issued a subpoena to the bank several weeks ago demanding data on transactions linked to the US president, Reuters news agency and a German newspaper say. Deutsche Bank has previously rejected similar requests from Democrats. Mr Mueller is investigating claims of collusion between Mr Trump and Russia. US investigators are said to be demanding information on dealings linked to Mr Trump as part of an investigation into alleged Russian influence in the US presidential election, according to Handelsblatt and Reuters. Deutsche Bank, which is one of the Trump Organisation's major lenders on its real estate projects, said it would not comment on any of its clients. |
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Post by jimboky on Dec 5, 2017 18:32:00 GMT
What does a German bank have to do with Russia? Mueleer is tasked with Trumps collusion with Russia before election, after 9? mo he has so far found nothing, even though his staff is hand picked by the DNC Supreme Court Allows Trump Travel Ban to Take Effect WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Monday allowed the third version of the Trump administration’s travel ban to go into effect while legal challenges against it continue. The decision was a victory for the administration after its mixed success before the court over the summer, when justices considered and eventually dismissed disputes over the second version. www.nytimes.com/2017/12/04/us/politics/trump-travel-ban-supreme-court.htmlA good day for the USA and Trump |
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Post by voice on Dec 5, 2017 18:52:55 GMT
yeah, nothing so far, just a couple of guilty pleas and some indictments, but lets not focus on those eh?
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Post by jimboky on Dec 5, 2017 19:01:03 GMT
If he were really causing problems for Trump he would simply get him removed,
none of the guilty pleas are a problem for Trump, meanwhile the economy keeps plugging along, getting the Tax bill, and killing Obama Care as an extra if they keep the Senate bill, Go Trump 2020!
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Post by flatandy on Dec 5, 2017 19:10:45 GMT
If Trump removed the bloke investigating all Trump's associates, that would be a serious trigger for Congress to impeach.
What the German bank has to do with this, who knows (you can guess where it would be relevant, if you wanted to) - although it's really a US subsidiary of a German bank, and apparently the one with which the Trump Organisation has done most of its business, so not that German at all.
Also, 9 months is a very short period of time for a Special Investigator. Normally these take years and years and years. Two indictments and two guilty pleas this quickly tells us it's moving fast. Looks like Jared could be in trouble soon, too.
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Post by jimboky on Dec 5, 2017 19:17:06 GMT
your crazy, the republican house is not going to impeach Trump, but you can dream if you like
and what's he got? Flynn? he's proven to have lied to the FBI, who will believe him? he would tell you that Trump shot JFK if he thought it would help him
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Post by auldhippy on Dec 5, 2017 19:23:32 GMT
Oh I think appointing a treasonous National Security Director, after being warned not to by his predecessor with the same intel given to Trump, is seriously problematic for Trump. Whilst in transition Flynn illegally (& in collusion with Kushner & almost certainly with Trump's approval) tried to make alternative policy to the sitting President regarding Russia (deportations) & Israel (abstaining over settlements).
Trump wont see 2018 out let alone 2020.
BTW you are a moron if you think the tax bill or Trump is good for the US.
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Post by flatandy on Dec 5, 2017 19:24:34 GMT
You realise that if Flynn lied to the FBI again, he'd be up for serious perjury charges.
The Republican House will totally be happy to impeach Trump once they get their Tax Cut For Oligarchs signed. Trump has no other policy agenda, so the House has no reason to keep him. If Trump is becoming an electoral liability, and there was sufficient evidence of obstruction of justice or a deliberate attempt to prevent justice (like sacking the bloke doing the investigating), they'd be happy to throw him under the bus. And you really only need a handful of Republicans to make it stick.
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Post by jimboky on Dec 5, 2017 19:26:28 GMT
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Post by jimboky on Dec 5, 2017 19:32:49 GMT
You realise that if Flynn lied to the FBI again, he'd be up for serious perjury charges. The Republican House will totally be happy to impeach Trump once they get their Tax Cut For Oligarchs signed. Trump has no other policy agenda, so the House has no reason to keep him. If Trump is becoming an electoral liability, and there was sufficient evidence of obstruction of justice or a deliberate attempt to prevent justice (like sacking the bloke doing the investigating), they'd be happy to throw him under the bus. And you really only need a handful of Republicans to make it stick. If Flynn's lawyer allow him to plea guilty it was part of a Deal agreement, no other charges coming, as far as Trump is concerned he can testify to whatever he likes, he is an admitted proven liar,,,, you know Trump could have pardoned him, right? he would have if he had anything to worry about |
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Post by flatandy on Dec 5, 2017 19:46:16 GMT
The deal agreement can easily be undone if Flynn doesn't cooperate, or lies.
Also, Trump can pardon Flynn for the one federal crime he's been charged with. But that leaves many other crimes that Flynn appears to have committed, particularly related to trying to kidnap Gulen and take him to Turkey, thoroughly open to prosecution. And Mueller also appears to have been cooperating with the DAs in a bunch of other Trump related states like NY and NJ, giving them enough ammunition to prosecute state crimes which can't be pardoned by the President.
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Post by voice on Dec 5, 2017 20:40:18 GMT
and all in a mere 9 months, Watergate took well over two years before charges were brought, same with Whitewater, took em years to find something to pin on Slick Willy and it wasn't in anyway related to Whitewater in the end, this is why Mueler going after Trumps money is important, you can never tell where he may find criminality or expose his long suspected money ties to Russian oligarchs.
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Post by Marshall on Dec 5, 2017 22:45:53 GMT
Took about 2 years, went through full process, every version spent months in committee, and it was passed with a proper unfilibustered 60 votes in the Senate, not through cheaty reconciliation rules - playing procedural games with democracy. Yes, I remember that, and how different it was to this. If all jimbo listens to is Faux News this will be an entirely new revelation to him. |
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Post by Repat Van on Dec 6, 2017 18:36:49 GMT
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Post by flatandy on Dec 6, 2017 18:40:28 GMT
I imagine it's because his corrupt, about-to-go-to-prison-like-his-dad, son-in-law asked him to. And because Trump is so immensely unaware of the context of anything, he just decided to do it.
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Post by Repat Van on Dec 6, 2017 18:49:14 GMT
I imagine it's because his corrupt, about-to-go-to-prison-like-his-dad, son-in-law asked him to. And because Trump is so immensely unaware of the context of anything, he just decided to do it. It’s abolutely mind boggling? He actually got it right when he visited Israel earlier this year and is now f**k**g it up again. |
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Post by voice on Dec 6, 2017 18:49:17 GMT
all the US foreign embassies have just gone into a high state of readiness for the expected backlash to this bit of staged, but largely meaningless bit of political theater. Had he wanted it to be meaningful he'd have moved the embassy, but i doubt the grown ups in the room could let him go that far, so he's again signed that the embassy will remain in Israels real capitol.
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Post by Repat Van on Dec 6, 2017 18:50:22 GMT
all the US foreign embassies have just gone into a high state of readiness for the expected backlash to this bit of staged, but largely meaningless bit of political theater. Had he wanted it to be meaningful he'd have moved the embassy, but i doubt the grown ups in the room could let him go that far, so he's again signed that the embassy will remain in Israels real capitol. Oh he changed, AGAIN! He was previously expected to order the embassy moved. |
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