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Post by jimboky on Jul 21, 2018 13:08:04 GMT
Mueller has of yet found a crime to investigate, it is the Trump is guilty of something and damn it I'm going to find out what it is investigation
total waist of public funds this is, I do think it is encouraging Trump support, almost insures Trump's reelection
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Post by voice on Jul 23, 2018 17:02:02 GMT
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Post by Marshall on Jul 25, 2018 0:14:16 GMT
Money laundering for Russian oligarchs and most likely collusion and obstruction. More we probably don't have an inkling about.
You aren't hearing much because Mueller's team does not leak stories to the press. Apart from the indictments, the big tell is Trump stamping his feet and crying that it's a witch hunt every other day and that the Deep State is out to overthrow him, lol.
Today he said something right out of 1984: "And just remember, what you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening."
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Post by jimboky on Jul 25, 2018 2:59:10 GMT
you do realize that if Trump felt really threatened he could simply dismiss Mueller, right? he is a side show, but if you like, dream on
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Post by voice on Jul 25, 2018 4:09:11 GMT
It's been reported the official white house transcript and video of Trumps disastrous Helsinki press conference has been edited so the question from Reuters asking Putin if he wanted Trump to win in 2016 and did he order his officials to help, and Putin's answer yes I did, yes I did, well this no longer is part of the official record, purged Stalin style.
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Post by Woolf on Jul 25, 2018 12:16:19 GMT
you do realize that if Trump felt really threatened he could simply dismiss Mueller, right? he is a side show, but if you like, dream on No he can't. Normally, a special counsel would report to the attorney general, but because Attorney General Jeff Sessions has recused himself from the Russia-election probe, Rosenstein is acting in that role. He’ll supervise Mueller, although the rules state: “The Special Counsel shall not be subject to the day-to-day supervision of any official of the Department.”. According to the regulations, Rosenstein can block major investigative steps by Mueller, but must report to Congress if that happens. Rosenstein can fire Mueller “for misconduct, dereliction of duty, incapacity, conflict of interest, or for other good cause.” Trump can’t fire Mueller directly, but in theory could order Rosenstein to dismiss Mueller and could fire Rosenstein if he didn’t comply. The president could then seek out someone who would dismiss the special prosecutor. This is the scenario that played out during Watergate in 1973 in the so-called Saturday Night Massacre. Trump could also tell Sessions to repeal the regulations under which Mueller was appointed, freeing officials of any limits on firing him. 7 questions that explain the special counsel |
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Post by jimboky on Jul 25, 2018 18:22:13 GMT
Trump can replace Sessions, and his replacement can dismiss Rosenstein and the special counsel, might not be politically popular but it would fall in his power, frankly I always thought he should have fired Sessions the day he refused himself, but then Trump has passed much of his agenda while Mueller has been playing around, it seems to be working, Economy is booming, full employment, NK seems to be getting less an issue all the time, EU may agree to end Tariffs,
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Post by voice on Jul 25, 2018 20:58:20 GMT
another Saturday night massacre, didn't end well the last time a criminal president tried it.
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Post by jimboky on Jul 27, 2018 13:24:08 GMT
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Post by moggyonspeed on Jul 27, 2018 13:39:20 GMT
"Strong consumer and business spending as well as a surge in exports ahead of retaliatory tariffs from China helped drive economic growth."
Is this sustainable therefore?
"The last time the economy grew this quickly was in the third quarter of 2014."
Hang on - wasn't that one of the Obama years? Or perhaps either a fluke or fake news?
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Post by Marshall on Jul 29, 2018 3:42:57 GMT
Of course it's fake news that Obama had better jobs numbers/GDP growth/bigger inauguration crowds/was tougher on Russia, etc. etc.
And a judge just opened the case against Chump re. emoluments. The poor, poor bastard.
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Post by voice on Jul 31, 2018 17:29:13 GMT
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Post by jimboky on Jul 31, 2018 17:37:07 GMT
So Trump should have just nuked NK and been done with it?
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Post by flatandy on Jul 31, 2018 17:43:16 GMT
How am I not surprised that that's your only alternative?
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Post by jimboky on Jul 31, 2018 17:50:16 GMT
What exactly would you have Trump do different? Whatever happens, we are no worse off then before, I don't think anyone thought this was going to go without a hitch,
Trump did have a meeting with Fat Boy, something that Obama never did,
do you think Hillary would have done any better?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 17:57:41 GMT
Trump just wasted millions of your dollars, that's all. If you're happy with that, fine by me.
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Post by flatandy on Jul 31, 2018 17:57:42 GMT
Obama couldn't meet with Kim because of how loud the Republicans would have screamed about treachery. Every time there was the slightest negotiation with any "adversary" like Iran or Cuba or NK, the Republicans basically exploded in puce fury. There was no way Obama would have been allowed to have a meeting.
I actually think Trump did the right thing in meeting Kim. What he did wrong was (a) not bother to prepare at all ; (b) proclaim the summit a success when he was offered an obvious lie; (c) offer something to the NKs in return for this lie. He appears to have been in no state to actually negotiate, and this was shown in the fact that he negotiated a complete nothingburger. Where not a single thing the NKs promised could be checked, something way, way worse than the Iranian deal. It means he's either desperately gullible and stupid, or just a complete liar.
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Post by flatandy on Jul 31, 2018 17:59:04 GMT
The alternative is not nuking NK. The alternative is having more substantive talks, with qualified diplomats running them, working through ways of making sure that NKs promises are verified in return for easing of sanctions, trying to ease other things about the North Korean state, and so on.
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Post by jimboky on Jul 31, 2018 18:15:50 GMT
sanctions have not yet been lifted,
it's early to pot the cork, and it's early to assume the thing is scrapped,
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Post by flatandy on Jul 31, 2018 18:44:40 GMT
Well, Trump claimed that the NKs had stopped. He was wrong. Either he was a complete moron for believing Kim or he was deliberately lying to us. Which do you think it was?
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