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Post by Marshall on Mar 22, 2019 18:53:26 GMT
Yeah, that's bad news for Trump. He's trying to get people to start shooting each other and thinks the military and police will step up to put things right if he loses in 2020.
What a leader.
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Post by voice on Mar 22, 2019 20:59:03 GMT
Well he's going the whole hog for his new best friend, Fat Boy Kim, canceling sanctions against the Norks announced by Treasury and Bolton only yesterday. Never been a despot he didn't want to fellete. www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47674761 |
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Post by flatandy on Mar 22, 2019 21:20:22 GMT
Mueller has submitted his report to the AG. Now let's see if the public - or even congress - is allowed to learn the content of any of it.
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Post by voice on Mar 22, 2019 21:28:05 GMT
it would largely depend on whats it in, if its as damning as suggested I expect it won't see the full light of day until after he's out of office, but then I suppose even if it shows what a criminal duchebag he is, as long it clears him personally of collusion (even though Flynn Manifort gates and Stone did collude) he may just release it partially and shout if from the roof tops 'no collusion, no collusion'
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Post by jimboky on Mar 23, 2019 14:48:28 GMT
no charges,,, this is what the dems have been waiting for, only now it really don't count for anything at all, Trump didn't stop the investigation, after over 600 days the 13 angry dems didn't find anything, except that the FISA court should really be given a second look,
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Post by voice on Mar 23, 2019 15:08:49 GMT
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Post by mids on Mar 23, 2019 15:24:40 GMT
None of the charges or prosecutions were related to Russian interference, its sole purpose. Not a single solitary one. You could probably have investigated any US administration and come up with a few tax dodgers to lock up.
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Post by voice on Mar 23, 2019 15:37:00 GMT
And Clinton didn't get impeached over Whitewater, the focus of that special prosecutor.
And so much oh his campaign were in cahoots with foreign powers especially Russia, several now doing time as a result.
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Post by mids on Mar 23, 2019 16:39:31 GMT
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Post by jimboky on Mar 23, 2019 17:43:15 GMT
And Clinton didn't get impeached over Whitewater, the focus of that special prosecutor. And so much oh his campaign were in cahoots with foreign powers especially Russia, several now doing time as a result. Clinton DID get impeached!! but the Senate didn't remove him from office,,,, I wouldn't be surprised if Trump gets impeached, all it takes is a simple majority in the house, the dems have the house, |
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Post by flatandy on Mar 23, 2019 20:09:36 GMT
None of the charges or prosecutions were related to Russian interference, its sole purpose. Not a single solitary one. You could probably have investigated any US administration and come up with a few tax dodgers to lock up. So, er, the 25 Russians charged by Mueller have nothing to do with Russia? |
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Post by flatandy on Mar 23, 2019 20:27:54 GMT
Oops. 26. I forgot Konstantin Kilimnik. Apparently not Russian.
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Post by flatandy on Mar 23, 2019 21:05:35 GMT
So, as well as Mueller apparently very clearly finding Russian influence in the 2016 election (which should surprise nobody but which Trump idiotically denied) and finding huge swathes of corruption in the people leading the Trump campaign, there are a couple of things to note about "no additional indictments"
1 - It's widely understood that Trump himself can't be indicted because he's President. We don't know if Mueller would have indicted Trump had he not been immune from prosection
2 - Indictments mean that Mueller has specific proof of illegal actions. Trump and family could well have been involved with Russian operatives and it might not have been illegal, it might just have been immoral and corrupt. He might also have stuff which is not going to be "beyond reasonable doubt".
3 - All kinds of other investigations have spun off out of Mueller's work and are continuing in state AG offices.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2019 8:11:30 GMT
Yet you laughed off the charges of Russian influence in British politics as nonsense and unlikely to affect anything. Are people of the US more easily effected by Russian interference?
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Post by mids on Mar 24, 2019 9:43:56 GMT
It's weird how Russians have become the Most Evil People on Earth and that anyone who does business with them is to be Cast Out.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2019 12:31:05 GMT
Not in my mind - I'd prefer Europe became closer with Russia. And China. The whole Asiatic bloc. Someone has to take the wind out of imperialist US sails - too many dead already. War's the US first industry.
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Post by perrykneeham on Mar 24, 2019 12:42:24 GMT
Yeah, bring the GIs back from Nam, man!
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Post by flatandy on Mar 24, 2019 13:46:48 GMT
Yet you laughed off the charges of Russian influence in British politics as nonsense and unlikely to affect anything. Are people of the US more easily effected by Russian interference? Did I? When? It's also worth noting a couple of things that are often lost - Russian interference doesn't necessarily mean collusion Russian interference may be happening but that doesn't mean it creates successful influence Russia definitely interfered in the US election. I am not sure they successfully swung it for Trump. If they did it's because the margins were so tight and it wouldn't have been successful in, say, either of Obama's victories. Their main goal, anyway, wasn't getting Trump into office but instead created distrust in the US system. And it's not clear that Trump's team worked with the Russians. Russians had meetings with Trump's people, and Trump's people lied about it. Which makes them look dodgy. But Trump's people are idiots who seemed to not see the difference between interference and collusion. Trump is ridiculously thin skinned, so when people suggested that his election victory might have been tainted he got all sniffy and said there was no Russian interference (despite all the evidence). Then all his people had to back up this position, and appeared to have lied to sh*t about it. |
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Post by jimboky on Mar 24, 2019 13:51:16 GMT
Russia has always tried to interfere with US, and probably most/all other countries elections, as has I assume USA, UK, and most other countries, nothing new here,,, Washington was likely the last president to get elected without Russian interference of some sort
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Post by jimboky on Mar 24, 2019 14:07:58 GMT
You know Trump could have at anytime shut down the Mueller thing, yet he did nothing to shut it down or interfere with it, the most open President in my lifetime
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