What The Hell?

[mids]

Jul 19, 2023 14:47:24 GMT ootlg said:

Don't you think maybe it's the inability to avoid capture that pushes up the thicko figures? The cuties don't get caught.

Nah. That would require a vast pool of criminal genuises to push up the average (unknown) IQ of criminals. Most criminals do low level crime and have low level brains.

[perrykneeham]

That does seem to be a common factor. Any others?

[mids]

Being bl...errr, I mean poor impulse control? I'm no criminologist but poor impulse control*, poor school performance (not necessarily because they're thick), peer pressure, being thick, lack of discipline from an early age are all factors, I think.

*No idea what the root cause of that is.

[mids]

Worryingly, 12% of our prison population are foreigners.

researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN04334/SN04334.pdf

[ootlg]

Jul 20, 2023 6:45:41 GMT mids said:

Jul 19, 2023 14:47:24 GMT ootlg said:

Don't you think maybe it's the inability to avoid capture that pushes up the thicko figures? The cuties don't get caught.

Nah. That would require a vast pool of criminal genuises to push up the average (unknown) IQ of criminals. Most criminals do low level crime and have low level brains.

You think the Tory government's full of thickos?

[ootlg]

Jul 20, 2023 7:50:20 GMT mids said:

Being bl...errr, I mean poor impulse control? I'm no criminologist but poor impulse control*, poor school performance (not necessarily because they're thick), peer pressure, being thick, lack of discipline from an early age are all factors, I think.

*No idea what the root cause of that is.

Ah, you're shoe-horning in the race angle here. Why didn't you say? That's a whole new set of statistics.

[mids]

Race? I never mentioned race.

[happyhammerhead]

Jul 20, 2023 9:44:52 GMT ootlg said:

You think the Tory government's full of thickos?

Of course not.

Some of them don't get caught.

[unclejunior]

Hijab is a powerful tool …. oh wait ….

Saudi Arabia’s religious police stopped schoolgirls from leaving a blazing building because they were not wearing correct Islamic dress, according to Saudi newspapers.
In a rare criticism of the kingdom’s powerful “mutaween” police, the Saudi media has accused them of hindering attempts to save 15 girls who died in the fire on Monday.

About 800 pupils were inside the school in the holy city of Mecca when the tragedy occurred.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1874471.stm

[Repat Van]

Jul 20, 2023 12:39:46 GMT unclejunior said:

Hijab is a powerful tool …. oh wait ….

Saudi Arabia’s religious police stopped schoolgirls from leaving a blazing building because they were not wearing correct Islamic dress, according to Saudi newspapers.
In a rare criticism of the kingdom’s powerful “mutaween” police, the Saudi media has accused them of hindering attempts to save 15 girls who died in the fire on Monday.

About 800 pupils were inside the school in the holy city of Mecca when the tragedy occurred.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1874471.stm

And that story is only 21 years old….

[Repat Van]

Jul 19, 2023 14:29:45 GMT mids said:

There you go, dude. Although obviously, you'll just embarrass yourself by not understanding it.


"Along with sex and age, intelligence stands out as one of the most consistent predictors of criminal and antisocial behaviors. Decades of studies from multiple disciplines have shown that, on average, individuals with lower IQ scores are more likely to engage in antisocial behavior relative to individuals with higher IQ scores (Beaver et al., 2013, Herrnstein and Murray, 1994, Jolliffe and Farrington, 2004, Kratzer and Hodgins, 1999, Neisser et al., 1996). Lower overall levels of intelligence have also been found to be associated with a wide range of criminal offending including violent offenses such as sexual assault (Cantor, Blanchard, Robichaud, & Christensen, 2005), murder (Dwyer & Frierson, 2006), and other forms of interpersonal violence (Kearns & O'Connor, 1988). Additional studies have demonstrated a negative association between intelligence and offending versatility, wherein offenders with lower levels of intelligence are more likely to engage in a greater variety of criminal acts (Frisell et al., 2012, Nevin, 2000, Walsh, 1987, Walsh and Beyer, 1986).



In addition to studies examining the association between intelligence and criminal behaviors, a related body of literature has documented negative associations between intelligence and contact with the criminal justice system (Beaver et al., 2013, Diamond et al., 2012, Fergusson et al., 2005, Hirschi and Hindelang, 1977, Loeber et al., 2012, Yun and Lee, 2013). These patterns have also been replicated at higher levels of aggregation, such as neighborhoods (Beaver & Wright, 2011), states (Bartels et al., 2010, McDaniel, 2006), and even nations (Rushton & Templer, 2009). In perhaps the most comprehensive study examining the IQ-offending association at the macro-level, Rushton and Templer (2009) utilized previously estimated national IQ scores (Lynn & Vanhanen, 2006) and crime statistics from 116 countries. Even after controlling for a host of covariates, the results revealed a significant and negative association between intelligence and criminal offending, providing evidence of a robust pattern that persists across geographic regions and cultural contexts."


www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S016028961500077X#preview-section-cited-by

Why was it so hard for you to provide a citation?

[Repat Van]

Jul 20, 2023 8:01:06 GMT mids said:

Worryingly, 12% of our prison population are foreigners.

researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN04334/SN04334.pdf

Why worryingly?

14.4% of the UK population is foreign born.

The prison population is in line with their presence in the broader population (actually slightly underrepresented).


migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migrants-in-the-uk-an-overview/

“ As of the year ending June 2021, people born outside the UK made up an estimated 14.5% of the UK’s population, or 9.6 million people”

[mids]

Well one thing, foreign born can mean British. That proportion I quoted is for foreign nationals. Also, what proportion of the foreign born are adults? We don't send children to prison.

[Repat Van]

Jul 20, 2023 14:39:29 GMT mids said:

Well one thing, foreign born can mean British. That proportion I quoted is for foreign nationals. Also, what proportion of the foreign born are adults? We don't send children to prison.

Non-UK born AND non-UK national is 9%

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/ukpopulationbycountryofbirthandnationality/2020#main-points

That is still in line when you factor in the foreign nationals who are now British nationals so not covered by the 9%.

Not worrying at all.

[mids]

And what proportion of those are children? As a wise man once said, "We don't send children to prison."

[Repat Van]

Jul 20, 2023 15:53:12 GMT mids said:

And what proportion of those are children? As a wise man once said, "We don't send children to prison."

A tiny proportion. Less than adults. So even less concerning. The prison figures are in line with the amount of foreigners in the population.

“ Compared to the UK-born population, migrants are more likely to be adults aged 26-64 and less likely to be children or people of retirement age (65+) ”

[ootlg]

Does this include 28 year old children?

[mids]

What proportion? Facts!

[Repat Van]

Jul 20, 2023 16:08:17 GMT ootlg said:

Does this include 28 year old children?

“More likely to be adults”

“Less likely to be children”.

[Repat Van]

Jul 20, 2023 16:11:25 GMT mids said:

What proportion? Facts!

Less. Less that the native born.

So your attempt at scaremongering over the number of foreign nationals is meaningless xenophobia.

It’s in line with their presence in the population .