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Post by Repat Van on Mar 13, 2018 12:03:26 GMT
Because the playwright is a SJW who thinks that there are not enough positive depictions of protected groups on telly and so has filled his script with them. The sort of thing the Guardian complains about on a daily basis. There is no such thing as a protected group. And I still don’t see what’s odd about a member of a majority group (women) being in most dramas. And I also don’t see what’s wrong with scripts containing black people, gay people, pregnant women etc. They’re rather common in everyday life. I think if you watch a show and consider their inclusion tiresome / odd it probably says more about you. |
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Post by mids on Mar 13, 2018 12:19:44 GMT
Fair enough, I meant protected characteristics.
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Post by perrykneeham on Mar 13, 2018 12:30:40 GMT
You won't laugh, believe me. It's dreadful. Just dreadful. Mrs. Baloo lost her rag with me for my constant exasperated outbursts and I stopped watching it. I just couldn't stand it. She came to the same conclusion. Interestingly, all her mates were raving about it on social media. Then she posted the reviews above and they all ended up agreeing that it was a shocker. The thing is, it does seem to be a formula: boxes populated. I know that there are confident capable women, decent black people, lesbians, entitled middle class men and pregnant women. Do they all have to be present in every single drama? Don’t see why not. They’re just people. It is weird that you place women in that special representation group given that they form the majority of the population. Particularly as you don’t include “confident, capable men” in the description. Nah. That's just silly. These people exist but they are not ubiquitous in daily life. That they should be represented, umfailingly in this scenario is presposterously artificial. |
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Post by mids on Mar 13, 2018 12:50:38 GMT
The issue is when every fictional telly fire station, for example, contains 3 women (one of whom is lesbian), a Muslim, 3 black people, two gays and a disabled person in the back office. It's not really what life is like and is, in the end, highly tokenistic.
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Post by Repat Van on Mar 13, 2018 12:51:27 GMT
Don’t see why not. They’re just people. It is weird that you place women in that special representation group given that they form the majority of the population. Particularly as you don’t include “confident, capable men” in the description. Nah. That's just silly. These people exist but they are not ubiquitous in daily life. That they should be represented, umfailingly in this scenario is presposterously artificial. It’s not really though is it. But do you really sit down and make a note saying “what a black person and a pregnant woman and a lesbian???” Why all 3? Is that not a little sad? Particularly when you include women as a group, who, given they form the majority of the population are expected to be “ubiquitous”. |
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Post by Repat Van on Mar 13, 2018 12:52:41 GMT
The issue is when every fictional telly fire station, for example, contains 3 women (one of whom is lesbian), a Muslim, 3 black people, two gays and a disabled person in the back office. It's not really what life is like and is, in the end, highly tokenistic. Does it matter if we’re talking about fictional drama shows? I would have though much of the content is not representative of day to day life - it would be rather silly if it were no? I can understand if a drama is set in a specific setting where one group is rare (I.e a daycare centre where the majority of the workers are men) but in a general drama show I still don’t see why it would be odd to include women in pretty much every drama in a way it’s not odd to do so for men. |
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Post by mids on Mar 13, 2018 12:55:42 GMT
The same argument could be made for not bothering to include any people with protected characteristics at all.
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Post by Repat Van on Mar 13, 2018 12:55:43 GMT
Fair enough, I meant protected characteristics. But in the case of women - given their sheer numbers, having a group of women in most dramas (with the exception of those set in traditional all male settings and even then their broader life will contain women) then having a bunch of women in every show just seems normal. More normal than a bunch of men as women outnumber them in day to day life. |
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Post by Repat Van on Mar 13, 2018 12:57:18 GMT
The same argument could be made for not bothering to include any people with protected characteristics at all. Well that’s standard procedure now - even in roles written for characters of that “protected characteristic”. I just never noticed diverse cast lists before. Unless it was really really weird (ancient Ming Dynasty China where most people were black. That would be weird.) |
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Post by Repat Van on Mar 13, 2018 13:00:10 GMT
Although it’s not so much the inclusion of minority groups but why women are seen as a minority group that I don’t understand.
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Post by mids on Mar 13, 2018 13:00:19 GMT
The issue is when every fictional telly fire station, for example, contains 3 women (one of whom is lesbian), a Muslim, 3 black people, two gays and a disabled person in the back office. It's not really what life is like and is, in the end, highly tokenistic. Does it matter if we’re talking about fictional drama shows? I would have though much of the content is not representative of day to day life - it would be rather silly if it were no? I can understand if a drama is set in a specific setting where one group is rare (I.e a daycare centre where the majority of the workers are men) but in a general drama show I still don’t see why it would be odd to include women in pretty much every drama in a way it’s not odd to do so for men. Our Girl is a crappy drama series about a woman in the British army. I've only seen it once or twice but the last time I saw it, she was on patrol in a platoon (actually smaller, more like 7 or 8 people) and there were two women on the patrol. Now I know there are women in the army but 20-25% of the British Army are not women, no matter how much the BBC wants it to be so. |
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Post by Repat Van on Mar 13, 2018 13:13:19 GMT
Does it matter if we’re talking about fictional drama shows? I would have though much of the content is not representative of day to day life - it would be rather silly if it were no? I can understand if a drama is set in a specific setting where one group is rare (I.e a daycare centre where the majority of the workers are men) but in a general drama show I still don’t see why it would be odd to include women in pretty much every drama in a way it’s not odd to do so for men. Our Girl is a crappy drama series about a woman in the British army. I've only seen it once or twice but the last time I saw it, she was on patrol in a platoon (actually smaller, more like 7 or 8 people) and there were two women on the patrol. Now I know there are women in the army but 20-25% of the British Army are not women, no matter how much the BBC wants it to be so. Well I presume it didn't show the full army. You are, for your own reasons, taking representation of one platoon and assuming they are suggesting it as representative of the whole. As I said it's a weird thing to focus on. |
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Post by voice on Mar 13, 2018 15:29:38 GMT
I thought we'd covered this a few days ago, mids et al do not have such people in their social circle, he might have to talk to mums when he's measuring their fat kid, but its obvious women make him uneasy so he sees any inclusion of them as tokenism as he would never include them.
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Post by mids on Mar 13, 2018 16:36:48 GMT
Although it’s not so much the inclusion of minority groups but why women are seen as a minority group that I don’t understand. They're a protected characteristic. |
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Post by mids on Mar 13, 2018 16:38:11 GMT
Our Girl is a crappy drama series about a woman in the British army. I've only seen it once or twice but the last time I saw it, she was on patrol in a platoon (actually smaller, more like 7 or 8 people) and there were two women on the patrol. Now I know there are women in the army but 20-25% of the British Army are not women, no matter how much the BBC wants it to be so. Well I presume it didn't show the full army. You are, for your own reasons, taking representation of one platoon and assuming they are suggesting it as representative of the whole. As I said it's a weird thing to focus on. Again, you could use that as an excuse not to include anyone with protected characteristics. |
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Post by mids on Mar 13, 2018 16:43:22 GMT
Your average British Army section in Afghanistan.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 16:55:38 GMT
[quote source="/post/566187/thread" timestamp="1520926375" Anyone seen the recent TV mini-series "Collateral?" Here's a couple of reviews.... ........................................................................ "Collateral (BBC1, Monday) is billed as ‘a modern-day state of the nation project’ — and therein lies its doom. Screenwriter David Hare is so eager to treat us to his worthy sociopolitical insights on immigration, the gig economy, xenophobia and suchlike that he skimps on the basics. Plot, dialogue, structure, background research, character, dramatic tension, plausibility and verisimilitude, for example.If this tripe is worth watching for any reason at all Was he ever really any good, does anyone know? Or is he the dramatic equivalent of the kind of artists who flourished under Stalin: second-raters with only one real talent — the ability to toe the party line." Sir David Hare was educated at Lancing College (a Harry Potteresque public school a couple of miles from where I'm sitting) and Jesus College, Cambridge. He lives in Hampstead, natch. Don't watch UK telly any more, and I'm really, really glad I don't. It's this sort of stuff makes me want to throw up. I have a little insight into the machinations of the BBC and the British film industry and the whole thing's riddled with croneyism and ultra-PC cuntishness. |
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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on Mar 13, 2018 17:42:17 GMT
Here's interesting. Did you know that if say one in ten of the population are black, then if you selected 10 people from a hundred there's only a 65% chance of selecting a black person.
Which means that selecting the full gamut of a Muslim, a gay, a raspberry differently abled, ethnically diverse and a ginger in a group is a statistical long shot. Most people intrinsically know that but the beeb have to have a full house, which is why it never reflects reality.
As a caveat it's my calculations on the 65% so I'm open to challenge.
Oh and on the "intersting" bit too. That maybe a lala-esque use of the term.
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Post by Repat Van on Mar 13, 2018 20:57:30 GMT
Very la-la eque.
I just watch TV and think if a show is good or not.
I am watching Breaking Bad and just think “this is a good drama”. Not “what are the chances of a Chemistry teacher joining the drugs trade and immediately putting established drug criminals in their place!”
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Post by Repat Van on Mar 13, 2018 21:00:28 GMT
Your average British Army section in Afghanistan. Don’t see what’s wrong with it. |
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