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Post by Repat Van on Mar 13, 2018 21:04:50 GMT
Although it’s not so much the inclusion of minority groups but why women are seen as a minority group that I don’t understand. They're a protected characteristic. They’re a majority group. Womanhood isn’t a protected characteristic. Gender/sex maybe. But that applies to men. I do think it’s just another example of the fairly widespread sexism in our society that finds it weird that people from that majority group known as “women” should be appearing in most drama shows. If we are using the statistical/demographic argument for complaining about when people should and shouldn’t be represented in drama shows it seems perfectly logical to have women in almost everything. |
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Post by voice on Mar 13, 2018 21:07:29 GMT
 they think all the Brit patrols should look like this one  or this non of those pesky females to think about |
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Post by Repat Van on Mar 13, 2018 21:08:08 GMT
I thought we'd covered this a few days ago, mids et al do not have such people in their social circle, he might have to talk to mums when he's measuring their fat kid, but its obvious women make him uneasy so he sees any inclusion of them as tokenism as he would never include them. I was wondering if people’s own circles may skew their expectations. Not just Mids et al but also writers. But if it’s a drama show does it matter? I actually get the argument for Aiming for more diversity given the power of TV to make and break stereotypes. But I’m interested in diversity of representation than numbers. I just never get when people use women as a class as an example of an overrepresented minority, especially when they never see it as SJW behaviour to feature a man in every show. |
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Post by mids on Mar 13, 2018 21:10:48 GMT
Here's a thought; do the Gurkhas have women among their ranks?
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Post by Repat Van on Mar 13, 2018 21:12:04 GMT
Well I presume it didn't show the full army. You are, for your own reasons, taking representation of one platoon and assuming they are suggesting it as representative of the whole. As I said it's a weird thing to focus on. Again, you could use that as an excuse not to include anyone with protected characteristics. You could. I never got the complaints about friends not featuring many black people considering it was set in NYC. I thought it made perfect sense given the series focus. Those people were hardly likely to live very diverse lives with loads of black friends. But if they had had loads of black friends I wouldn’t have cared either. |
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Post by mids on Mar 13, 2018 21:12:16 GMT
they think all the Brit patrols should look like this one or this non of those pesky females to think about Exactly. That's the reality. Why represent it as hugely different? |
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Post by voice on Mar 13, 2018 21:13:02 GMT
women are not a minority, well they might be a minority in certain peoples lives, but as a whole there are more than men about and no reason you should not a see an equal amount on TV. Its all very 1950 to expect them to be waiting diligently at home with the dinner on the table for their husbands to return with news of the outside world.
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Post by Repat Van on Mar 13, 2018 21:13:19 GMT
Here's a thought; do the Gurkhas have women among their ranks? Don’t know, don’t care. I don’t think most TV dramas are based around platoons in Afghanistan. Maybe UK TV has changed since I left though and become very boring and focused on just one topic. |
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Post by Repat Van on Mar 13, 2018 21:13:43 GMT
they think all the Brit patrols should look like this one or this non of those pesky females to think about Exactly. That's the reality. Why represent it as hugely different? Why not? It’s drama? You do also realise that writers may include things to advance the storyline as well even if it means bending reality as such? Or sometimes they want to use drama to educate people. When I watched The Wire and saw that one of the main gangsters was an out open gay man I didn’t think “oh that’s ridiculous given the hyper masculine environment he operates in!!” I just thought - cool storyline and good to see a non stereotypical representation of gay men. You’re turning into a fuddy fuddy. You probably also were outraged that the John Lewis ad had a mixed raced boy in it! |
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Post by perrykneeham on Mar 13, 2018 21:18:35 GMT
Drama. Not fantasy.
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Post by mids on Mar 13, 2018 21:19:08 GMT
Ok, so dramas need no basis in reality according to you and voice. Noted.
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Post by Repat Van on Mar 13, 2018 21:19:14 GMT
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Post by Repat Van on Mar 13, 2018 21:20:14 GMT
Ok, so dramas need no basis in reality according to you and voice. Noted. You’re the one who finds it weird that most dramas feature women in them despite women forming the majority of the population. Anyway platoon =/= entire British army. I don’t require one platoon to be an exact microcosm of the entire British army. I would be shocked if each individual platoon was. |
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Post by mids on Mar 13, 2018 21:20:58 GMT
Here's a thought; do the Gurkhas have women among their ranks? Don’t know, don’t care. I don’t think most TV dramas are based around platoons in Afghanistan. Maybe UK TV has changed since I left though and become very boring and focused on just one topic. Ok. No need for the prolonged, sobbing bleat. I was merely suggesting gritty dramas had some basis in reality. |
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Post by mids on Mar 13, 2018 21:21:31 GMT
Ok, so dramas need no basis in reality according to you and voice. Noted. You’re the one who finds it weird that most dramas feature women in them despite women forming the majority of the population. So what you're saying is... |
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Post by perrykneeham on Mar 13, 2018 21:22:56 GMT
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Post by Repat Van on Mar 13, 2018 21:23:28 GMT
Don’t know, don’t care. I don’t think most TV dramas are based around platoons in Afghanistan. Maybe UK TV has changed since I left though and become very boring and focused on just one topic. Ok. No need for the prolonged, sobbing bleat. I was merely suggesting gritty dramas had some basis in reality. No you weren’t. You find it odd women are in most things. Expecting them not to be is contrary to reality where they form 51% of the population. |
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Post by Repat Van on Mar 13, 2018 21:24:41 GMT
Women are 51% of the population. It’s credible to have them be ubiquitous in tv. |
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Post by Repat Van on Mar 13, 2018 21:25:14 GMT
You’re the one who finds it weird that most dramas feature women in them despite women forming the majority of the population. So what you're saying is... Yep that is what you sad. Weird huh. |
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Post by Repat Van on Mar 13, 2018 21:27:43 GMT
I mean bloody hell if drama’s all had to be perfectly credible I should stop watching Breaking Bad right now.
I would have been wrong to enjoy Luther and I should cease watching Peaky Blinders immediately.
And let’s not start on the myriad Law and Orders, CSIs etc...
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