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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 6:32:28 GMT
OK, I'll take it as re-negotiate. Yep, but not a danger, a desired outcome, n'est ce pas?
"In a letter, signed by 25 former senior diplomats and published in the Times, they urged Boris Johnson to “signal a different approach” at this weekend’s G7 summit in Biarritz, France, and retain “close relationships with our European neighbours”.
It said: “An impending no-deal Brexit … would result in an unprecedented – and self-inflicted – diminution of Britain’s international influence. We need a foreign policy based on long-term UK interests and a strong economy, and that requires close relationships with our European neighbours. Sign up to our Brexit weekly briefing Read more
“No deal represents the biggest unilateral abandonment of those interests in modern British history. It should not be allowed to happen. We hope the prime minister uses this G7 meeting to signal a different approach.”"
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 25, 2019 6:38:07 GMT
Diplomats. Pfft! Self-regarding, smug, Establishment bellends with massive vested interests.
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 25, 2019 6:38:59 GMT
"Former." Wankers.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 6:49:58 GMT
Experienced, well-educated, travelled and, er, influential people.
You're a "former" something, no? You got that job yet?
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 25, 2019 7:00:00 GMT
Experienced in what. Well-educated? You seem to think that's a handicap.
I'm not writing silly, self-serving letters on behalf of my mates who still work in defence engineering.
I've been in work for months. Or at least, I have an occupation.
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Post by whitewine on Aug 25, 2019 10:30:52 GMT
Offering an example of an American trade restriction, Mr Johnson said: "Melton Mowbray pork pies, which are sold in Thailand and in Iceland, are currently unable to enter the US market because of, I don't know, some sort of food and drug administration restriction." He continued: "UK bell peppers cannot get into the US market at all. "Wine shipments are heavily restricted. If you want to export wine made in England to the US you have to go through a US distributor. "There is a tax on British micro-breweries in the US that doesn't apply to US micro-breweries in the UK." The government added that tariffs on some UK goods in the US can reach up to 28% for fashion, 15% for machinery and 35% for food and drink. David Henig, the UK director of the European Centre For International Political Economy, said the US "would be loathe" to get rid of the barriers intended to protect US producers. He added: "The US is quite protectionist - the US have never done a trade deal the likes of which Mr Johnson is describing. "The question is whether the US is prepared to give the UK something and what we would have to give them in return. "It is less clear what Trump wants in terms of trade altogether." LINKHowever, the Speaker of the US House of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi, said a UK-US trade deal would not get through Congress if Brexit undermined the Good Friday Agreement.
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 25, 2019 13:02:25 GMT
Nancy Noshout.
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Post by flatandy on Aug 25, 2019 13:19:12 GMT
I see that Bozza has suddenly shifted to the odds of no deal from "a million to one" to "touch and go" even though the only change in that period is him being PM...
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 25, 2019 13:44:11 GMT
Managing the game. He's smashing this.
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Post by flatandy on Aug 25, 2019 13:46:12 GMT
So you're saying he was lying during at least one of those statements, not that he's made it massively worse?
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 25, 2019 14:22:24 GMT
Nope. Circumstances change
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Post by flatandy on Aug 25, 2019 14:29:49 GMT
The only circumstance that's changed is that he's PM.
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Post by mids on Aug 25, 2019 14:46:39 GMT
And that the EU are shittting themelves and starting to realise how badly they've f**k*d up.
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 25, 2019 21:43:46 GMT
The only circumstance that's changed is that he's PM. Pish. The smug, self-interested Establishment hobbled any chances of a sensible agreement. Bozza's in the driving seat now, mind and he's blown their crappy boats out of the water. He's done exactly the right thing and re-framed the argument. The existing "deal" is a dead duck which Parliament has rejected thrice. The alternative to that is not a fifth referendum, it is no deal. So, either wear a new deal and save Ireland or don't and let them drown in bog water and their own black hubris.
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Post by flatandy on Aug 25, 2019 21:55:22 GMT
"Save Ireland"? You're very strange.
Anyway, you still don't seem able to tell me what circumstances have changed. Was Boris, as foreign secretary, unaware of this supposed "smug, self-interested Establishment [that] hobbled any chances of a sensible agreement" when he said the odds were a million to one?
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 25, 2019 22:11:39 GMT
Save Ireland from themselves.
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 27, 2019 6:14:21 GMT
Magic Grandpa's had all summer to think of a new strategy and yet: "A no-deal Brexit would leave the UK at the mercy of US President Donald Trump, Jeremy Corbyn has claimed. Writing in the Independent, the Labour party leader accused the PM of "cosying up to Trump" because "no-deal Brexit is really a Trump-deal Brexit'." www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49476705
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Post by flatandy on Aug 27, 2019 13:10:02 GMT
How pathetic that the worst he can think of is "at the mercy of the US". I suppose as he's been supporting Brexit all along he can't point out all the damage it will actually do.
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Post by moggyonspeed on Aug 27, 2019 14:11:42 GMT
Seriously, not our problem.
The US is itself under threat, but from Trumpolini himself, whose failed (and about to backfire) Tariff War with China, whose open warfare with the Fed, and whose treatment of environmental issues as "niche" will one day mark him out as one of the worst US Presidents ever.
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Post by moggyonspeed on Aug 27, 2019 14:14:32 GMT
... and in much the same sense that Corbyn is not the US's problem, btw.
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