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Post by bertruss2 on Aug 28, 2019 16:01:47 GMT
The Johnson premiership is, essentially, about Boris enjoying the power and perks. His performance at the G7 in Biarritz gave a glimpse of that. Brexit is just another opportunity to play the potentate. It's no skin off his nose if plebs get stuffed by Brexit. As long as they're deluded enough to vote for him. Boris Johnson really loves being prime minister The personal plane, the phalanx of advisers, the face-time with the world’s most powerful people: anyone would enjoy playing prime minister for a while. But this is Boris Johnson’s dream job – and he is absolutely loving it.
Whether it was pointing at a smirking Donald Trump across the Biarritz breakfast table, or ribbing Scott Morrison about the cricket, every photo of Johnson at this weekend’s summit showed him grinning from ear to ear.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/26/boris-johnson-in-biarritz-what-we-learned
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 28, 2019 16:02:21 GMT
The more I read and think, the more I think that it's not actually bad strategy from Boris. He's created an impossible situation for himself by stating that we'd leave on Oct 31. He needs to get out of that somehow, and now he's forcing parliament to vote against him - so he's not actually seen to be making the decision. I guess Boris is going for a general election before Brexit day, 31 October. After Brexit, Brexiters don't need to vote for him. The deed is done. So, he'll be looking to be swept to triumph on a wave of Brexit frenzy, get a majority and rule for five self-glorifying years till 2024. For Boris, the only important thing is him being Prime Minister. Maybe it would be enough if the general election campaign ran into November and he got a vote of gratitude from Brexiters for services rendered. Farage has promised an electoral pact to ensure that Brexit Party members don't stand against Tories committed to Brexit. After Brexit, the Brexit Party will be finished anyway, and Farage will be hoping to be Lord Farage or Ambassador to the United States. Wrong. After Brexit, people no longer need to vote for Farage, nor do Tory remainers have any need to vote otherwise.
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 28, 2019 16:08:31 GMT
The Johnson premiership is, essentially, about Boris enjoying the power and perks. His performance at the G7 in Biarritz gave a glimpse of that. Brexit is just another opportunity to play the potentate. It's no skin off his nose if plebs get stuffed by Brexit. As long as they're deluded enough to vote for him. Boris Johnson really loves being prime minister The personal plane, the phalanx of advisers, the face-time with the world’s most powerful people: anyone would enjoy playing prime minister for a while. But this is Boris Johnson’s dream job – and he is absolutely loving it.
Whether it was pointing at a smirking Donald Trump across the Biarritz breakfast table, or ribbing Scott Morrison about the cricket, every photo of Johnson at this weekend’s summit showed him grinning from ear to ear.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/26/boris-johnson-in-biarritz-what-we-learnedDo grow up. That's just schoolgirl, ignorant spitefulness.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 17:00:50 GMT
1) This isn't Johnson's work, he doesn't have the nous. It reeks of his buddy, Dominic 'Ratty' Cummings.
2) It may backfire. The waverers will now come out agin him in any vote of confidence.
It could well destroy the Tory majority of one, lead to a judicial resolution and ultimately the revoking of Art. 50.
Or not.
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Post by mids on Aug 28, 2019 17:06:21 GMT
The BBC are drowning in weak pish. Good.
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Post by mids on Aug 28, 2019 17:07:56 GMT
Arlene Foster thinks it's a good idea. Good.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 17:16:52 GMT
Ah, jibbering from the monkey house. Keep your arse against the wall - CN's about.
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 28, 2019 17:25:07 GMT
The BBC really are treading water in their own piss tonight. Every "fact" bent beyond recognition. We're up to five weeks of prorogation tonight. Four days. Four.
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 28, 2019 17:25:33 GMT
I wonder what lala's up to tonight ....
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 28, 2019 18:04:10 GMT
It's fabulous to hear MPs howling about not having time to represent the democratic wishes of their constituents.
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Post by moggyonspeed on Aug 28, 2019 18:44:50 GMT
Of course people will vote for Farage after Brexit. Farage’s no. 1 love interest is Farage, and as long as he keeps spouting his usual brand of bile - and I don’t see that stopping any time soon - then the gullible who fall for a racist sound bite (“but I’m not racist”) will keep voting for him.
And disgruntled Tory Remainers? If reentering the EU becomes a LibDem manifesto commitment, then that’s where a whole bunch of them will end up.
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 28, 2019 18:47:32 GMT
Of course people will vote for Farage after Brexit. Farage’s no. 1 love interest is Farage, and as long as he keeps spouting his usual brand of bile - and I don’t see that stopping any time soon - then the gullible who fall for a racist sound bite (“but I’m not racist”) will keep voting for him. And disgruntled Tory Remainers? If reentering the EU becomes a LibDem manifesto commitment, then that’s where a whole bunch of them will end up. Bollocks. You saw what happened to UKIP support. That's just wishful thinking.
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Post by wetkingcanute on Aug 28, 2019 19:25:31 GMT
No one will vote for Farage after Brexit - why would they? He was a One Trick Pony - people voted for him for one reason only - not for his towering interlect.
But anyway - enough of that...
What we now have is the uk being railroaded into a no deal brexit by a minority of the Tory party - themselves a minority party. After nearly 50% of the counrty voted to stay in the EU.
and if anyone say I'm a blubbing remainer - I'll see them later in the car park for fisty cufts.
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 28, 2019 19:45:22 GMT
First bit right. Second bit let down by the obvious counter that MORE than 50% voted to leave.
I expect it'll be okay in the end. EEC 2020.
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Post by wetkingcanute on Aug 28, 2019 19:47:50 GMT
England Leave 53.4% 15,188,406 VOTES. Remain 46.6% 13,266,996 VOTES Counting completeTurnout: 73.0%
Northern Ireland Leave 44.2% 349,442 VOTES Remain 55.8% 440,707 VOTES Counting completeTurnout: 62.7%
Scotland Leave 38.0% 1,018,322 VOTES Remain 62.0% 1,661,191 VOTES Counting completeTurnout: 67.2%
Wales Leave 52.5% 854,572 VOTES Remain 47.5% 772,347 VOTES
Not exactley a stunning victory.
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 28, 2019 19:51:40 GMT
A victory nonetheless.
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 28, 2019 19:56:18 GMT
Those figures really don't help your case: England, the largest constituency, was even more pro-Leave than the UK stats would suggest. Also, massive turnout, suggesting high popular engagement.
Again, those figures are very Brexity.
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 28, 2019 19:58:30 GMT
Also, if Scotland and NI want to leave the UK, go, with my blessing and best wishes.
You and I will both be wealthier.
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Post by flatandy on Aug 28, 2019 21:40:21 GMT
I guess Boris is going for a general election before Brexit day, 31 October. After Brexit, Brexiters don't need to vote for him. The deed is done. So, he'll be looking to be swept to triumph on a wave of Brexit frenzy, get a majority and rule for five self-glorifying years till 2024. For Boris, the only important thing is him being Prime Minister. Maybe it would be enough if the general election campaign ran into November and he got a vote of gratitude from Brexiters for services rendered. Farage has promised an electoral pact to ensure that Brexit Party members don't stand against Tories committed to Brexit. After Brexit, the Brexit Party will be finished anyway, and Farage will be hoping to be Lord Farage or Ambassador to the United States. Wrong. After Brexit, people no longer need to vote for Farage, nor do Tory remainers have any need to vote otherwise. Yep. I do think this is part of the "cunning wheeze" style tactics. It feels like a game played by debating chamber toffs, finding wheezes and ruses to avoid taking responsibility for what they actually said. This wheeze removes responsibility from Boris - now either parliament calls a No Confidence Vote, in which case there's not a No Deal, and Boris gets out of trouble. Or it doesn't call a No Confidence Vote, at which point Boris can claim that parliament clearly wasn't opposed to his No Deal, so he doesn't need to take responsibility. And if we do end up in a late autumn election after No Deal, the Brexit Party no longer has a platform on which to stand. They can't claim that Britain didn't take a hard enough Brexit. This would almost certainly create a path to a new Tory majority. It's cunning, but it needs all the pieces to fall into place in order, and for the public to not actually care about the anti-democratic crazy. Which is plausible, but not guaranteed.
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Post by moggyonspeed on Aug 28, 2019 22:05:12 GMT
No. This is the whole problem with the Brexit referendum in 2016 and virtually every echo chamber since. You ask 10 Brexiteers what they’d want from the process and you’ll get 11 different answers. This won’t change pre- or post a General Election, and ANY difference between the Tory and Brexit parties will be exploited by Farage for his own ends. Sheesh, there is so much for them to disagree on ...
- the 39Bn - rights to remain - future trade deals with the EU - future trade deals outside the EU - fishing rights - Euratom and science in general - the state of the Union - when do they dare put Arlene Foster back in her box
Yes, plenty of scope for Farage to keep his name in lights.
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