So what's Brexit really about?

[perrykneeham]

Ha .....

[mids]

The coup-ers are still blocking an election. Labour's official position seems to be to win an election that they don't want to have, get a renegotiated deal from the EU, have a second referendum during which they'll campaign to reject the deal they've just negotiated.

[Deleted]

Being crafty isn't confined to the Tories shockah..

[voice]

The no deal law passed in the lords, will be sent for royal rubber stamping on Monday.

Not sure what Bozos next move will be, calling for a vote of no confidence in himself?

Mumblings in the party about inviting the rebels back in and quickly replacing him as leader apparently.

[mids]

Crafty? Anti-democratic, surely? They've been shrieking for an immediate election for months now. Anyway Miller's had her latest case thrown out so that's good.

[Deleted]

To repeat...

"Opposition parties will again vote against a general election on Monday. The debate between leaders of Labour, SNP, LibDems, Plaid and Greens is whether to vote for election a day or two after Queen’s Speech on Oct 14 or day or three after EU summit on 17-18 October. Either way, it is all about making sure Johnson either goes to Brussels to beg for a Brexit delay or resigns to allow a temporary government of national unity... and means the general election would be in November (mid to late). How does Johnson escape this trap?"

Robert Peston
ITV political editor.

Maybe Cummings is actually working against Johnson?

[Deleted]

Sept 6, 2019 15:28:06 GMT mids said:

Crafty? Anti-democratic, surely? They've been shrieking for an immediate election for months now. Anyway Miller's had her latest case thrown out so that's good.

Hahaha... no mate, this is yer sovereignty in action, a pure delight to behold.

[mids]

The Lords have approved the Surrender Bill. Win some lose some, I suppose.

[mids]

Sovereignty lies ultimately with the demos. That's the sovereignty we're in favour of.

[voice]

Win some? He's won nothing so far and isn't likely to any time soon.

[voice]

Oh and to borrow a phrase so often used since the referendum, you lost, get over it.

[mids]

We just won the anti prorogation court case, although they've been given leave to appeal.

[voice]

Procreation is really no longer an issue, he only wanted to suspend democracy to force through a no deal crash and burn brexit, now doing that will be illegal by Monday tea time, it's not important now to stop it.

[mids]

What you're forgetting though is that while Boris may get around to asking for yet another extension, the EU aren't bound to accept it. Boris could attach some unacceptable conditions to the extension. The Surrender Bill only compels him to ask.

[bertruss2]

Sept 6, 2019 16:13:59 GMT mids said:

What you're forgetting though is that while Boris may get around to asking for yet another extension, the EU aren't bound to accept it. Boris could attach some unacceptable conditions to the extension. The Surrender Bill only compels him to ask.

Boris has been defeated and his surrender terms have been set out by Parliament. He's up against wily politicians, like Corbyn, The letter Boris has to send to the EU Council has been written for him. He's compelled to send it, exactly as it is. He can always resign and a Labour-led national government will step in and do it for him.

The UK is a member state of the EU and is legally bound by the conditions of article 50. That means that the Council will meet, with the UK excluded, to decide on the length of the extension it will give and any conditions attached.

Parliament has blocked No-Deal, so the choice is between Brexit under the terms of the Withdrawal Agreement or Remain.

[voice]

yeah, but I think its as much in the EU's interest to not see a no deal catastrophe as it is for the UK, well not quite as much, but still a concern. Plus as the election will probably be in November they might be hoping the UK elects someone more competent, though given the choices of bumbling idiot or 1970's student union Sid Spart, its not much to hang any hope on.

[perrykneeham]

Sept 6, 2019 16:33:40 GMT bertruss2 said:

Sept 6, 2019 16:13:59 GMT mids said:

What you're forgetting though is that while Boris may get around to asking for yet another extension, the EU aren't bound to accept it. Boris could attach some unacceptable conditions to the extension. The Surrender Bill only compels him to ask.

Boris has been defeated and his surrender terms have been set out by Parliament. He's up against wily politicians, like Corbyn, The letter Boris has to send to the EU Council has been written for him. He's compelled to send it, exactly as it is. He can always resign and a Labour-led national government will step in and do it for him.

The UK is a member state of the EU and is legally bound by the conditions of article 50. That means that the Council will meet, with the UK excluded, to decide on the length of the extension it will give and any conditions attached.

Parliament has blocked No-Deal, so the choice is between Brexit under the terms of the Withdrawal Agreement or Remain.

Boris has blocked no No Deal.

[voice]

he can't, its going to be the law come Monday and he assured the house during the debate he would abide by the rule of law. Are you saying he will now disregard the law of the land?

[perrykneeham]

It's no use if they can't get any deal.

[cathy]

Good to see News General is still alive and well!