So what's Brexit really about?

[Deleted]

Sept 13, 2019 17:17:30 GMT mids said:

Project reality. will soon translate into higher spending, creating more growth. [..............]

In truth, the drama around Brexit may be a political earthquake. But to the economy, it is already largely an irrelevance. And on balance, it is turning into a positive."

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/09/brexit-is-already-changing-the-british-economy-for-the-better/

Except that it's not all about the economy. Spectator... pfffft. Money will always look after itself.

It's about much, much more. And if you don't know that, don't even bother to ask.

[Deleted]

“So the notion that no deal somehow means that we can turn our backs on the EU and break all our ties is just nonsensical.”

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[perrykneeham]

Sept 14, 2019 6:50:48 GMT @oneofthelessergods said:

“So the notion that no deal somehow means that we can turn our backs on the EU and break all our ties is just nonsensical.”

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Non-argument.

[bertruss2]

As the link says.

Claiming a no-deal Brexit represents a clean break with the European Union is “nonsensical”, according to Philip Rycroft, the former permanent secretary at the Department for Exiting the EU.

But Rycroft, who was the most senior civil servant at DexEU until March this year, told the Guardian a no-deal Brexit would mark the beginning of a complex series of negotiations.

“It is not a clean break: what it does is it takes us legally out of the EU. But what it can’t do is undo all of the very close economic ties that we have with the EU, on which so much of our trade as a country depends. And nor would we want to undo all of the close security ties that we have with the EU,” he said.

“And because of the importance of those ties both for the EU and the UK, it will remain hugely important to have those expressed through a formal relationship. In other words, we’re going to have to negotiate – and that negotiation on the future relationship starts with citizens, money and the border on the island of Ireland.

“So the notion that no deal somehow means that we can turn our backs on the EU and break all our ties is just nonsensical.”

[wetkingcanute]

[perrykneeham]

Sept 14, 2019 8:56:51 GMT bertruss2 said:

As the link says.

Claiming a no-deal Brexit represents a clean break with the European Union is “nonsensical”, according to Philip Rycroft, the former permanent secretary at the Department for Exiting the EU.

But Rycroft, who was the most senior civil servant at DexEU until March this year, told the Guardian a no-deal Brexit would mark the beginning of a complex series of negotiations.

“It is not a clean break: what it does is it takes us legally out of the EU. But what it can’t do is undo all of the very close economic ties that we have with the EU, on which so much of our trade as a country depends. And nor would we want to undo all of the close security ties that we have with the EU,” he said.

“And because of the importance of those ties both for the EU and the UK, it will remain hugely important to have those expressed through a formal relationship. In other words, we’re going to have to negotiate – and that negotiation on the future relationship starts with citizens, money and the border on the island of Ireland.

“So the notion that no deal somehow means that we can turn our backs on the EU and break all our ties is just nonsensical.”

Again, a non-argument. Nobody's suggesting a complete, absolute break of all ties. Silly blather.

[perrykneeham]

Sept 14, 2019 9:14:06 GMT wetkingcanute said:

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That must be the starship Lack of Enterprise.

[bertruss2]

"Nobody's suggesting a complete, absolute break of all ties. Silly blather."

No-deal Brexit means breaking all ties.

[jimboky]

you guys went to war supporting France, and other European allies back in '39 without the EU, how did that happen?

[Deleted]

Eh??

[whitewine]

We went to war in 1939 after Germany invaded Poland,the war ended in 1945.

The EU was formed in the 90s to help foster peace and economic collaboration among European nations. This came after a long history of conflict and rivalry within the European continent which culminated with the first and second world wars.

[perrykneeham]

Sept 14, 2019 13:13:16 GMT whitewine said:

We went to war in 1939 after Germany invaded Poland,the war ended in 1945.

The EU was formed in the 90s to help foster peace and economic collaboration among European nations. This came after a long history of conflict and rivalry within the European continent which culminated with the first and second world wars.

It came after nuclear detente and NATO.

[Deleted]

Your opinion.

[bertruss2]

NATO is the 'EU Army'. With one serious flaw. It's under the command of the United States. Kick out the Americans and reform and rebrand it as The European Defence Alliance.

[whitewine]

There are only three members of NATO that are not, in the EU, USA, Turkey and Norway.

[jimboky]

Kick out the Americans and reform and rebrand it as The European Defence Alliance.


all you need do is for the European countries not pony up their 2% and Trump will do this for you

[jimboky]

isn't Canada in NATO?

[whitewine]

Canada (North America) is a member of NATO, and a British commonwealth country.

[bertruss2]

Sept 14, 2019 13:35:27 GMT jimboky said:

Kick out the Americans and reform and rebrand it as The European Defence Alliance.
all you need do is for the European countries not pony up their 2% and Trump will do this for you

What is this 2% and who is it supposed to be paid to?

[jimboky]

NATO agreement that each country spend 2% of GDP on defense,,, few do, why you guys want to be partners with the dead-beat countries that don't is beyond me