So what's Brexit really about?

[moggyonspeed]

Bears repeating?

Oh, you mean baloo!

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Unimportant.

[mids]

e. I sat and looked at that for about a minute wondering what the spelling was.

Anyway, I've noticed a behaviour amongst you remain ultras. You bang on and on about some terrible outcome or motivation for ages, then the minute it gets disproved, you suddenly pretend you never believed it at all or it suddenly becomes "unimportant". Queer.

[mids]

Here's another brilliant example. You'll now all be telling us you never thought the GFA had anything to do with Brexit.

order-order.com/2019/09/13/northern-irish-high-court-rules-hard-brexit-not-break-belfast-agreement/

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Sept 13, 2019 10:51:19 GMT mids said:

e. I sat and looked at that for about a minute wondering what the spelling was.

Anyway, I've noticed a behaviour amongst you remain ultras. You bang on and on about some terrible outcome or motivation for ages, then the minute it gets disproved, you suddenly pretend you never believed it at all or it suddenly becomes "unimportant". Queer.

Noooooooooooooooo... we've been trying to educate you, smiling at your silliness all the time. We know you'll come back into the fold when you realise the error of your ways etc.

And that Fawkes thing only does you more damage. Don't listen to these nasty people.

[mids]

Hammer blow after hammer blow for remain. You had a good start to the week but let it slip away in the second half. Lacking match fitness.

order-order.com/2019/09/13/police-conclude-leave-eu-campaign-not-break-law-2016-referendum/

[moggyonspeed]

Sept 13, 2019 13:50:35 GMT mids said:

Hammer blow after hammer blow for remain. You had a good start to the week but let it slip away in the second half. Lacking match fitness.

order-order.com/2019/09/13/police-conclude-leave-eu-campaign-not-break-law-2016-referendum/

Frankly, I don't know how I'm going to recover from this "hammer blow". It's probably going to ruin my whole weekend the rest of the year my entire life western civilisation as we know it, knowing that Arron Banks is going to be slapping off till Christmas.

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Pffff.. the Met. Pffff.. CPS.

"It is clear that whilst some technical breaches of electoral law were committed by Leave.EU in respect of the spending return submitted for their campaign, there is insufficient evidence to justify any further criminal investigation."

Typical CPS cop-out.

"The investigation into the spending returns of Vote Leave and BeLeave remains ongoing."

Dame Cressida your heroine now, eh?

Seriously, the Met are renowned dodgy bastards, and the CPS renowned for dropping charges whenever they can. Combine this with payola and Bob's yer proverbial.

But keep on grabbing at straws.

Mind you, I fully expect a No Deal Brexit on the grounds that the whole system's as corrupt as fuck.

[perrykneeham]

Sept 13, 2019 10:10:31 GMT @oneofthelessergods said:

Sept 13, 2019 9:33:05 GMT perrykneeham said:

So, no problem doing business with europe then? Good.

Neat swerve there Mr Baloo. Don't forget we're still in the EU.

D ....

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I love it when you go cryptic on me.

[mids]

[mids]

Project reality.

"The government has lost its majority. The constitution has fallen apart. The country no longer has any idea whether it is leaving the European Union or not. Historians and political commentators are queuing up to tell us this is the lowest point in the country’s history since the Suez Crisis/Civil War/Dissolution of the Monasteries (delete as applicable).



And yet, amid all this chaos and confusion, something else is happening. The economy, slightly surprisingly, is purring along quite smoothly. The explanation? In truth, the EU doesn’t make much difference to the economy anymore. And insofar as it does, leaving is a marginal improvement.



The City expected the economic data released this week to make grim reading. Global trade is slowing, with central banks in the US and the eurozone cutting rates to try and stave off recession. Add in a slowdown in investment as companies understandably fret about our potentially chaotic departure from the EU and the British economy should be slowing down sharply.



Except that is not quite what happened. First, we learnt that the economy overall expanded by 0.3 per cent in July, significantly faster than the 0.1 per cent expected, and better than most of our main rivals. Next, we found out that the trade deficit narrowed slightly as imports fell. Finally, we learned that employment was at record highs and that wages were still growing at record rates. Add in a Chancellor who is about to start spending money with carefree abandon and there is no reason why it shouldn’t improve from here. It isn’t fantastic. But it is a decent performance from a mature economy facing what is meant to be its biggest economic challenge in a generation.



In fact, there are two explanations for that. The first and simplest is that membership of the EU, and all the political drama around it, doesn’t make a lot of difference to business one way or another. They have made their preparations and can live with either outcome. Sure, there might be some disruption around no deal if that is what happens. But demographics, demand, skills, tax rates and levels of entrepreneurship, innovation and infrastructure are what actually determine growth. Membership of a big – but not terribly successful – trade bloc isn’t that crucial one way or another.



Next, at the margin, our looming departure is a slight improvement. You can see that most clearly in the employment and wage data. As the amount of cheap eastern and central European labour has started to fall, employers have had to pay their people a bit more. As the research consultancy High Frequency Economics noted in an analysis of the figures: ‘We believe we are seeing a change in the composition of the workforce as the economy loses foreign workers, largely in low wage jobs’. Much as the textbooks would suggest, with a lower supply of cheap labour companies are starting to restructure so that they use fewer people and pay the ones they have a little more. Sure, some companies that are completely dependent on low paid labour will suffer. But on balance that will be an improvement, especially as those higher wages will soon translate into higher spending, creating more growth.



In truth, the drama around Brexit may be a political earthquake. But to the economy, it is already largely an irrelevance. And on balance, it is turning into a positive."

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/09/brexit-is-already-changing-the-british-economy-for-the-better/

[bertruss2]

Project reality.

The UK is an EU member state and continues to benefit from being part of a Union of 510 million people. After Brexit, it loses its special relationship with its EU partners, loses the WTO terms negotiated by the EU Commission for EU member states, loses agreements with countries throughout the world that have been negotiated for EU members.

I'm sure the Brexit elite will be just fine.

[charmingnortherner]

Sept 13, 2019 17:53:39 GMT bertruss2 said:

Project reality.

The UK is an EU member state and continues to benefit from being part of a Union of 510 million people. After Brexit, it loses its special relationship with its EU partners, loses the WTO terms negotiated by the EU Commission for EU member states, loses agreements with countries throughout the world that have been negotiated for EU members.

I'm sure the Brexit elite will be just fine.

[perrykneeham]

Sept 13, 2019 17:53:39 GMT bertruss2 said:

Project reality.

The UK is an EU member state and continues to benefit from being part of a Union of 510 million people. After Brexit, it loses its special relationship with its EU partners, loses the WTO terms negotiated by the EU Commission for EU member states, loses agreements with countries throughout the world that have been negotiated for EU members.

I'm sure the Brexit elite will be just fine.

Dawn etc.

[voice]

Anyway, David Cameron, who mysteriously still remains un tarred and feathered, is having a right go at Bozo and Gove for being lying shitbags during the referendum.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49690618

[perrykneeham]

For tripping him up over his own hubris and that of the rest of the smag, self-contented, selfish establishment.

[mids]

So Cameron joins the pantheon of remain deities along with Blair, Mandelson and Brown. People who you hero worship and onto whose every word you schoolgirlishly hang.

[bertruss2]

Sept 14, 2019 5:48:05 GMT perrykneeham said:

For tripping him up over his own hubris and that of the rest of the smag, self-contented, selfish establishment.

There is now a far more self-centred establishment. What could be smugger than a Mogg? More unprincipled and narcissistic in obtaining the position and perks of high office than Johnson? More ruthless than Cummings in attempting to make the country fit his own ideology?

[perrykneeham]

They're not the Eustablishment though. They are freedom fighters. It's a funny old thing when a recumbent Etonian mocks the complacency and smugness of the political and meejah Establishment and their "I'm alright, Jack" selfishness. Hence why they were so mahussively triggģgggggggggggggered.