So what's Brexit really about?

[mids]

The People know what's what.

[moggyonspeed]

Perhaps. It’s just that back in 2017, 43% of them knew what’s what, and now 37% of them do.

Things fell apart after 2017, so why should a 37% vote share now be any better, especially when Johnson has ruled out working with the Faragists?

We’re back on numbers again ...

[perrykneeham]

Don't like the numbers?

[mids]

Neuzis.

[moggyonspeed]

Sept 15, 2019 8:49:15 GMT perrykneeham said:

Don't like the numbers?

They’re numbers. Of course I like them.

[mids]

Steulin.

[unclejunior]

17.4million is a good number.
😎

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Sept 15, 2019 7:21:00 GMT perrykneeham said:

Sept 15, 2019 7:14:35 GMT @oneofthelessergods said:

f**k off with the 'major'. Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq are enough to qualify my view.

In your view. Haha.

So, minor proxy wars need to be re-classified in order for your view to stand up, yeah? It's a novel way of admitting that you're wrong, I suppose.

'Minor'. You're a sad fuck, you know that?

[perrykneeham]

What's major about them apart from your need to prop up your silly student sloganeering?

[flatandy]

1.5 million dead in Vietnam plus another 1.5-2 million dead under the Khmer genocide brought about by the Vietnam War does not look "minor" to me.

Not that I agree with the rest of OOTLG's thesis, but Vietnam was definitely not "minor"

[mids]

It was a police action.

[perrykneeham]

Sept 15, 2019 13:35:52 GMT flatandy said:

1.5 million dead in Vietnam plus another 1.5-2 million dead under the Khmer genocide brought about by the Vietnam War does not look "minor" to me.

Not that I agree with the rest of OOTLG's thesis, but Vietnam was definitely not "minor"

Not sure you can blame the Yanks for the murderousness of the Khmer Rouge, but you might well lay that at the door of their communist sponsors. Those would be the same sponsors whose expansion in SE Asia (indeed globally) that the US sought to frustrate. Can't do right for doing wrong sometimes.

[flatandy]

Even if you stop at the first 1.5 million deaths it's still major. But the rise of the Khmer Rouge was at least partially a consequence of US bombing Cambodia and Laos.

[flatandy]

Anyway, this is interesting. Funny how the Express and Observer polls have the opposite outcomes from what their editorial positions support

[perrykneeham]

Sept 15, 2019 14:20:09 GMT flatandy said:

Even if you stop at the first 1.5 million deaths it's still major. But the rise of the Khmer Rouge was at least partially a consequence of US bombing Cambodia and Laos.

Partially a consequence, granted. I still think that the conflict was both necessary and justified. The execution was poor but there's a very strong case to say that that was a direct result of the US not being warry enough. The hippies were the real baby killers.

[mids]

Khmer Reuge.

[charmingnortherner]

Sept 15, 2019 8:20:06 GMT moggyonspeed said:

Perhaps. It’s just that back in 2017, 43% of them knew what’s what, and now 37% of them do.

Things fell apart after 2017, so why should a 37% vote share now be any better, especially when Johnson has ruled out working with the Faragists?

We’re back on numbers again ...

You will no doubt be able to demonstrate this with a reputable link.

[moggyonspeed]

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/boris-johnson-rules-out-election-pact-with-nigel-farages-brexit-party_uk_5d78e1b5e4b094928f091bb8?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvLnVrLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADwGNux_Xi4z3PdK0jiH-n7kbbyoOj1aOXGwYCna4L5I9mcClHPWqKNJGpNqVm8smc2MGU56j0QqirXTu4-8CQQOQoT9rIIATX5iwmWzbjGrp7m0hV_orOvqX2dR6e2ki3S0qUbUeKjOtn7F60TtUxYT1IstbgCMpJrS7PugSsld

... or is Brexit’s new meaning for reputable “something with no big words in it”?

Interestingly, the Johnson camp is already fracturing, three MPs in the cabal having broken ranks to suggest a link-up with the Faragistas.

[charmingnortherner]

Sept 15, 2019 15:06:14 GMT moggyonspeed said:

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/boris-johnson-rules-out-election-pact-with-nigel-farages-brexit-party_uk_5d78e1b5e4b094928f091bb8?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvLnVrLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADwGNux_Xi4z3PdK0jiH-n7kbbyoOj1aOXGwYCna4L5I9mcClHPWqKNJGpNqVm8smc2MGU56j0QqirXTu4-8CQQOQoT9rIIATX5iwmWzbjGrp7m0hV_orOvqX2dR6e2ki3S0qUbUeKjOtn7F60TtUxYT1IstbgCMpJrS7PugSsld

... or is Brexit’s new meaning for reputable “something with no big words in it”?

Interestingly, the Johnson camp is already fracturing, three MPs in the cabal having broken ranks to suggest a link-up with the Faragistas.

From your link:
"But a Downing Street spokesman"
FAIL!

[moggyonspeed]

How so?

Johnson, “a Downing Street spokesman”, and three Brexit MPs all doing different things.

I’ll grant that the second drives the first (Johnson clearly can’t fart without permission), but it’s hardly a show of unity inside the camp, is it?