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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 18, 2019 20:51:49 GMT
The fact that the car industry requires and ships lots of components and sub-assemblies across borders to produce their finished goods, for one. Apparently, inward investment in the UK automotive sector is down 80% in three years, but this is not at all Brexit-related. Oh no. Still bollocks, that car industry trope. It doesn't matter how often you dolly that up, it's still nonsense. Do you still need me to tell you why? Done to death. |
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Post by flatandy on Sept 18, 2019 21:46:27 GMT
You can quote yourself endlessly. Let's see a clear link to a clearly explained WTO (or ISO, for that matter) rule.
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Post by bertruss2 on Sept 18, 2019 22:36:41 GMT
The UK has no WTO 'rules'. All WTO schedules apply collectively to EU member states. When the UK becomes a non-member state of the EU, it loses all its WTO schedules.
It remains a member of the WTO, but a naked one, with nothing. Of course, it will present its own proposals for the approval of the other 163 WTO members at the Geneva headquarters of the organization.
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Post by bertruss2 on Sept 18, 2019 22:43:41 GMT
After Brexit, the supply chain of many manufacturers could be disrupted. This is because in order to assemble a final product, such as a car, components currently criss-cross the EU’s single market and customs union. If there’s no deal, there will be tariffs on some of these components. There will also be delays at borders as consignments of goods are checked.infacts.org/trading-wto-rules-really-mean/ |
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Post by flatandy on Sept 18, 2019 22:48:03 GMT
tbf, as Moggy points out, there might not be tariffs on anything from the UK side. The Tory government has already suggested that because prices are going to spike and everything's getting harder they'll basically open the UK up to free imports from anywhere. Which is a somewhat ironic way of taking back control of the borders...
Britain really needs to be more concerned about goods going the other way.
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Post by bertruss2 on Sept 18, 2019 22:49:26 GMT
A key quote from your link makes it clear why No-deal Brexit will cause the British car assembly industry to decline. Companies have been concerned about the potential impact of tariffs, which can be up to 10 per cent on finished vehicles under World Trade Organization rules, as well as disrupted supply chains because of border checks and tariffs on parts coming into the country. |
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Post by bertruss2 on Sept 18, 2019 22:57:05 GMT
in the US most car plants use out of country parts, from Canada, Mexico, Japan, China without a problem, why wouldn't the UK be able to do likewise?? You have heard of NAFTA. It's because of the free trade agreement that the USA can trade tariff-free with Canada and Mexico. For some other countries, there are either trade agreements or tariffs aren't an obstacle anyway. You apparently haven't noticed the trade war Trump has started with China. In the case of the UK, it can trade tariff-free with other EU states because it is a member. If the UK has its membership cancelled, it loses that advantage. THe EU also has trade agreements with many countries around the world, with Japan for example. The UK loses all that as well. Of course, the UK's ace trade negotiators will work (for years to come) to restore or replace lost trade deals. |
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Post by bertruss2 on Sept 18, 2019 23:26:10 GMT
That's where the chlorinated chicken comes in. If it sells well, it wipes out the UK chicken farmers. Mogg promises cheap food, clothing and footwear for the masses. The downside of that it the destruction of British producers or government subsidies, with taxpayers footing the bill. I don't think Mogg himself is planning to walk around in cheap shoes and cheap clothes or eat cheap food at his home in Gournay Court or his London residence.  |
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 19, 2019 6:03:40 GMT
After Brexit, the supply chain of many manufacturers could be disrupted. This is because in order to assemble a final product, such as a car, components currently criss-cross the EU’s single market and customs union. If there’s no deal, there will be tariffs on some of these components. There will also be delays at borders as consignments of goods are checked.infacts.org/trading-wto-rules-really-mean/Simply not true. They're not routinely checked now. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 19, 2019 6:05:17 GMT
A key quote from your link makes it clear why No-deal Brexit will cause the British car assembly industry to decline. Companies have been concerned about the potential impact of tariffs, which can be up to 10 per cent on finished vehicles under World Trade Organization rules, as well as disrupted supply chains because of border checks and tariffs on parts coming into the country.Again, simply not true about sub assemblies or components in transit. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 19, 2019 6:08:02 GMT
That's where the chlorinated chicken comes in. If it sells well, it wipes out the UK chicken farmers. Mogg promises cheap food, clothing and footwear for the masses. The downside of that it the destruction of British producers or government subsidies, with taxpayers footing the bill. I don't think Mogg himself is planning to walk around in cheap shoes and cheap clothes or eat cheap food at his home in Gournay Court or his London residence. We don't make cheap shoes or cheap clothes UK. Yet again, we've done chlorinated chicken to death to. UK has higher animal welfare standards than just about any country in the World. There's a reason for that. |
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Post by mids on Sept 19, 2019 6:23:12 GMT
Freedom of movement between Australia and UK after we Brexit is being mooted. Good.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 6:33:13 GMT
Yep. 12 thousand miles of freedom of movement. Obvious really why we should import from there, rather than Europe.
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 19, 2019 6:39:04 GMT
We used to. Duh. And NZ.
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 19, 2019 6:41:11 GMT
Of course, it's a Brexiteer lie that we buy shedloads of superior wine from Australia, NZ, RSA, Chile, Argentina. Why, when we can but over-priced, watery piss from across the Channel?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 6:51:45 GMT
If you prefer mass-produced overly-sweet over-strong homogenous piss made for the mass market, go for it.
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Post by moggyonspeed on Sept 19, 2019 7:04:50 GMT
Why should the quality of a wine from a wine-producing country be dictated necessarily by where that country is? If the country’s climate and skills produce a great bottle, I’ll buy it, whether it’s a smooth Italian Amarone or a plummy Chilean Cabernet Sauvignon.
Of course, if you just grab the cheapest on the shelf ...
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 19, 2019 7:22:15 GMT
I don't grab anything off the shelves these days. I make my own wine and beer.
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Post by bertruss2 on Sept 19, 2019 7:43:41 GMT
Of course, if you just grab the cheapest on the shelf ... Cheapo Mogg stuff for the lower orders. Lucky old Nanny Crook. I don't expect the Mogg nanny can buy expensive stuff anyway. 76 and still toiling away to serve the Moggs. The downside of the cheapo food is that it wrecks British producers. Farmers already get much of their income from EU subsidies. This is, as they say "our money" anyway. But it's optimistic to expect that "our money" will keep supporting Welsh hill farmers when it could be diverted to the Brexiter elite and their favourite projects, like military spending, tax cuts for the rich and support for elite private schools. Besides, British farmers and fishermen, under a No-deal Brexit will face EU tariffs which will cut sales in Europe that they depend on. The promised cheapo "clothing and footwear" from China and elsewhere is already in the shops and Nanny Crooks won't see and difference if she ever has time off to look around. |
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Post by bertruss2 on Sept 19, 2019 8:08:07 GMT
The most powerful defence of the Brexit rank and file is impenatrable stupidity. When you see this remark about car components, you wonder what planet they've parked their brains on. Well, no, BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE EU. It's misleading to talk of a British car industry when it's owned by Volkswagen, BMW, Tata motors of Mumbai, Nissan, Honda, Toyota. These companies, over time, can relocate their plants out of the country if costs and inefficiency, after a no-deal Brexit, eat into their profits. www.theguardian.com/business/2017/mar/03/brexit-uk-car-industry-mini-britain-eu |
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