So what's Brexit really about?

[bertruss2]

A particularly idiotic view of tariffs comes from Trump, although I don't suppose British Brexiters needn't any help to come up with it.

When the USA places a tariff on Chinese products, the tariff is paid by American importers and American customers have to pay. It amounts to a tax on American business and consumers.

So when Trump boasts that "China is paying us billions" , it's actually Americans who are paying or being priced out of the opportunity to buy their preferred brands.

It's true it damages Chinese exporters but the tit-for-tat import tariffs by the Chinese government are intended to do equal damage to American exporters. A lose-lose situation.

[unclejunior]

Meanwhile filed away deeply at El Beeb under "despite Brexit"
www.thetradenews.com/london-retains-top-share-6-6-trillion-global-currency-markets-amid-us-decline/

[perrykneeham]

Sept 19, 2019 8:08:07 GMT bertruss2 said:

The most powerful defence of the Brexit rank and file is impenatrable stupidity. When you see this remark about car components, you wonder what planet they've parked their brains on.

They're not routinely checked now.

Well, no, BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE EU.

It's misleading to talk of a British car industry when it's owned by Volkswagen, BMW, Tata motors of Mumbai, Nissan, Honda, Toyota. These companies, over time, can relocate their plants out of the country if costs and inefficiency, after a no-deal Brexit, eat into their profits.

www.theguardian.com/business/2017/mar/03/brexit-uk-car-industry-mini-britain-eu

Bollocks. They're only ever checked for contraband and illegal immigration purposes. None of which changes. You really do need to start absorbing facts.

[bertruss2]

Bollocks. They're only ever checked for contraband and illegal immigration purposes. None of which changes.

You're like our ace Tory Brexit secretaries who think we're not really in the EU and a border only has one side. A no-deal means the rules change. We lose all the advantages of free movement of goods, services and people, when our EU membership is cancelled.

Firstly, we are subject to the WTO rule which says that we must apply the same tariff, or lack of tariff, to every country in the world, unless there is a free trade agreement. To apply this rule, there have to be customs inspections.

Secondly, since a border has two sides, the Dover and the Calais end, or other customs points, there are the costs of any tariffs and the costs of delay, inefficiency and paperwork at both points of entry.

More than 50% of cars assembled in the UK are exported to the EU and components may go back and forth across the border before being finally installed in the finished product.

Of course, the German, Indian and Japanese owners of the 'British' car industry will adjust their strategy. They can demand subsidies from the UK taxpayer. They can move production out of the UK. It's all worse than the present 'just-in-time' production that they've taken years to develop.

[whitewine]

If you trade any goods or services with the EU you’ll need to get ready for Brexit.

For example, you need to take action if you:

export goods to the EU

import goods from the EU

transport goods by road

export animals or animal products

export services to the EU

Find out how to prepare your business for Brexit

Check what you need to do to visit the EU

For example, you’ll need to:

check your passport

get travel insurance to make sure you are covered for healthcare

make sure you have the right driving documents

get a health certificate for your pet, as UK pet passports will no longer be valid in the EU (contact your vet at least 4 months before you travel)

LINK

[perrykneeham]

Sept 19, 2019 10:36:04 GMT bertruss2 said:

Bollocks. They're only ever checked for contraband and illegal immigration purposes. None of which changes.

You're like our ace Tory Brexit secretaries who think we're not really in the EU and a border only has one side. A no-deal means the rules change. We lose all the advantages of free movement of goods, services and people, when our EU membership is cancelled.

Firstly, we are subject to the WTO rule which says that we must apply the same tariff, or lack of tariff, to every country in the world, unless there is a free trade agreement. To apply this rule, there have to be customs inspections.

Secondly, since a border has two sides, the Dover and the Calais end, or other customs points, there are the costs of any tariffs and the costs of delay, inefficiency and paperwork at both points of entry.

More than 50% of cars assembled in the UK are exported to the EU and components may go back and forth across the border before being finally installed in the finished product.

Of course, the German, Indian and Japanese owners of the 'British' car industry will adjust their strategy. They can demand subsidies from the UK taxpayer. They can move production out of the UK. It's all worse than the present 'just-in-time' production that they've taken years to develop.

You're not listening. As you now finally seem to have grasped, sub assemblies and components move between sites unhindered under both EU and WTO default rules. Nothingbl changes. There would be no reason for inspections or delays. We've rehearsed that any number of times too

You're plain wrong.

[bertruss2]

Sept 19, 2019 8:27:54 GMT unclejunior said:

Meanwhile filed away deeply at El Beeb under "despite Brexit"
www.thetradenews.com/london-retains-top-share-6-6-trillion-global-currency-markets-amid-us-decline/

You're talking about London, one of the strong Remain areas, like Scotland, Northern Ireland and Gibraltar.


Across all 33 boroughs in the capital, 59.9% (2.26 million) voted in favour of remaining in the EU. In some areas, the remain vote was more than 70%. (BBC)

[perrykneeham]

Bert, in his fevered passion,.also seems to be making the point that the EU has been bad for UK car manufacturing.

[perrykneeham]

Sept 19, 2019 10:42:40 GMT bertruss2 said:

Sept 19, 2019 8:27:54 GMT unclejunior said:

Meanwhile filed away deeply at El Beeb under "despite Brexit"
www.thetradenews.com/london-retains-top-share-6-6-trillion-global-currency-markets-amid-us-decline/

You're talking about London, one of the strong Remain areas, like Scotland, Northern Ireland and Gibraltar.


Across all 33 boroughs in the capital, 59.9% (2.26 million) voted in favour of remaining in the EU. In some areas, the remain vote was more than 70%. (BBC)

London isn't a great global city because it voted remain you f**k**g idiot.

[bertruss2]

London isn't a great global city because it voted remain you f**k**g idiot.

London voted remain because it is a great global city, you f**k**g idiot.

[bertruss2]

Post by whitewine on 10 minutes ago
If you trade any goods or services with the EU you’ll need to get ready for Brexit.

And these warnings of the hassle to come are provided by the government that's getting us into this mess.

[Deleted]

Sept 19, 2019 7:22:15 GMT perrykneeham said:

I don't grab anything off the shelves these days. I make my own wine and beer.

Fucking hippy.

[perrykneeham]

Sept 19, 2019 10:48:43 GMT bertruss2 said:

London isn't a great global city because it voted remain you f**k**g idiot.

London voted remain because it is a great global city, you f**k**g idiot.

Did it f**k. Vested interests. It was a world class city before the EU. Shows every sign of being afterwards too.

[whitewine]

Don't you need to grab stuff off the shelves, to make your own wine and beer, or do you grow your own hops and barley and grapes..haha

[perrykneeham]

I have it sent to me. No grabbing off shelves required.

[Deleted]

As you're so convinced nothing's going to change after Brexit, why Brexit?

[whitewine]

Sept 19, 2019 11:02:34 GMT perrykneeham said:

I have it sent to me. No grabbing off shelves required.

I did see your first response, which was "Yeah" there was no need to edit.

[Deleted]

Baloo disingenuous? Surely not.

[whitewine]

It tells you at the bottom right when a post has been edited, which he did, no big deal I suppose.

[perrykneeham]

Sept 19, 2019 11:07:55 GMT @oneofthelessergods said:

As you're so convinced nothing's going to change after Brexit, why Brexit?

Some things will change. Just not the crap that Bremongs keep insisting will change for the worse. Look at WW's list: there are several glaring untruths in that.