It's Come To This

[Repat Van]

Jun 12, 2019 9:43:24 GMT mids said:

Jun 12, 2019 9:14:38 GMT Repat Van said:

I mean if they were dressed up as “sexy concentration camp inmates” I could probably get the outrage a little more!

Yes but, Handmaid's Tale- fiction; concentration camps- real with actual real people living survivors. You do know this, right?

This is what happens when you respond to a post without reading it.

Put the dunce cap on and go sit in the corner Mids.

[rick49]

Jun 12, 2019 7:19:31 GMT @oneofthelessergods said:

You should stop believing the whole world's like this, rick.

I don't. But the few who do come up with stuff like this are becoming more influential and it seems everyone is afraid of them and back down. Especially in universities.

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It's a trend; PC morphing. Most of us just get on with our lives.

[mids]

Most but not all. Take Vania for instance, it is her life.

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It can be difficult at times, being black in a white society, according to one of my (black) mates. He's a strong bloke, not fussed by others, but he says the discrimination he gets is never-ending. On the plus side, he gets to pull quite easily.

[mids]

All in his head. Probably the pulling too.

The thing is, we all experience the little inconveniences that come our way - shopkeeper seems grumpy, taxi doesn't stop for us, toilet seat left up/down, barperson seems not to see us and serves other ethnicity first even though we were clearly first etc etc. Most of us, who have grown up, just realise that's all part and parcel of daily life and that not every interaction and experience is going to go our way. The barperson genuinely didn't see us, the shopkeeper is just having a bad day etc. Some unfortunate people, however, are encouraged from an early age to believe that anything bad that happens to them is due to some sort of prejudice. It's the Guardian/BBC mindset. Some favoured group is allegedly disadvantaged in some way? Racism or sexism. No other explanation is ever sought or considered. That's how you get to the silly position of wealthy, middle class women in the West believing they're "oppressed".

[flatandy]

I know Mids is playing a satirical version of himself. But, still, if anyone wants to understand privilege...

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a classic case of 'if I've never experienced it, it doesn't exist' syndrome.

[mids]

Nah, you've misunderstood. I have experienced it (as have you) - I just don't shriek constantly about it.

[rick49]

Are all Germans born after WWII guilty for what the Nazis did?

[Repat Van]

Jun 12, 2019 15:02:45 GMT mids said:

Most but not all. Take Vania for instance, it is her life.

But seriously, why are you so obsessed with me...?

[Repat Van]

Jun 12, 2019 16:32:25 GMT mids said:

All in his head. Probably the pulling too.

The thing is, we all experience the little inconveniences that come our way - shopkeeper seems grumpy, taxi doesn't stop for us, toilet seat left up/down, barperson seems not to see us and serves other ethnicity first even though we were clearly first etc etc. Most of us, who have grown up, just realise that's all part and parcel of daily life and that not every interaction and experience is going to go our way. The barperson genuinely didn't see us, the shopkeeper is just having a bad day etc. Some unfortunate people, however, are encouraged from an early age to believe that anything bad that happens to them is due to some sort of prejudice. It's the Guardian/BBC mindset. Some favoured group is allegedly disadvantaged in some way? Racism or sexism. No other explanation is ever sought or considered. That's how you get to the silly position of wealthy, middle class women in the West believing they're "oppressed".

Oh dear!

“It’s not possible for somebody to face racial discrimination constantly because it doesn’t happen to me therefore they must be lying!”

It’s also the epitome of white male privilege causing you to completely be incapable of understanding how some other people’s experiences may possibly be different. And one’s one innate sexism / racism causing them to think that there are people who think every negative experience must be down to racism / sexism. Of course nobody thinks that but sometimes people’s negative experiences DO arise from others racism / sexism. But it suits some people to deny that can ever be the reason and insist there must be some other explanation (even when the data exists to support that discrimination is at play - such as, for example, name discrimination on CVs.)

[Repat Van]

Jun 12, 2019 16:08:35 GMT @oneofthelessergods said:

It can be difficult at times, being black in a white society, according to one of my (black) mates. He's a strong bloke, not fussed by others, but he says the discrimination he gets is never-ending. On the plus side, he gets to pull quite easily.

Oh absolutely. He probably is referring to people’s dumb comments / behaviours to do with race (and if he was a woman gender, and if gay his sexuality etc.)

I hate the term “micro aggressions” but that’s probably what he is referring to. Other people’s stupid comments / actions to do with (in this instance) race. And you either sweep it aside or pull people up on it. Pulling people up on it is the harder but far more interesting to watch option.

[Repat Van]

Jun 12, 2019 19:04:48 GMT mids said:

Nah, you've misunderstood. I have experienced it (as have you) - I just don't shriek constantly about it.

So you are happy to shut about the bad treatment you have faced and just accept it but others who want better should not strive for that and instead shut up and take it?

Why? If others want a better life and don’t want to just be as weak as you what’s wrong with that? It’s like people who whine about strikers who want better wages using the argument “well I haven’t received a pay rise in years”. Good for you. What does that have to do with the person who wants better?

[mids]

Jun 12, 2019 21:42:31 GMT Repat Van said:

Jun 12, 2019 15:02:45 GMT mids said:

Most but not all. Take Vania for instance, it is her life.

But seriously, why are you so obsessed with me...?

What a strange thing to say, considering you've quoted me multiple times on this thread alone. You are an odd little person.

[Repat Van]

Jun 12, 2019 21:57:46 GMT mids said:

Jun 12, 2019 21:42:31 GMT Repat Van said:

But seriously, why are you so obsessed with me...?

What a strange thing to say, considering you've quoted me multiple times on this thread alone. You are an odd little person.

You didn’t answer the question.


Quoting somebody’s actual words used (using the quote function to boot) is rather different to weirdly bringing them up in a separate post alluding to non existent views you allege they have (which let’s face it you do a lot. I will continue to point it out each time you do it...)

So...why are you so obsessed with me.....?

[mids]

Seriously, there are 7 "justvan quoted you..." things out of a possible 10 on the first page of my profile alone.

[Repat Van]

Jun 12, 2019 22:06:04 GMT mids said:

Seriously, there are 7 "justvan quoted you..." things out of a possible 10 on the first page of my profile alone.

Just to repeat, as you missed it the first time:

“Quoting somebody’s actual words used (using the quote function to boot) is rather different to weirdly bringing them up in a separate post alluding to non existent views you allege they have (which let’s face it you do a lot. I will continue to point it out each time you do it...)”

Somebody using the quote function to respond to my actual posts is fine and is a perfectly normal manner of debating. I have no issue with that.

Somebody randomly bringing up someone’s name in unrelated posts ascribing them views / beliefs not expressed is weird. So in the words of a certain Mean Girl, “why are you....” etc etc etc.

[mids]

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