Duckface of Doom

[perrykneeham]

Sadly, there is a de facto situation where a proportion of men will, given the opportunity, take advantage and mistreat women. There is also a proportion of men who will create those conditions or who will just do it anyway.

They are all criminals. We've never stamped out criminality so, sadly, the default position is essential.

[Deleted]

Well exactly. I can't see what all the fuss is about. Shame retribution in the form of physical damage to these criminals is an offence. Plod used to turn a blind eye.

[Repat Van]

Oct 15, 2018 10:36:58 GMT perrykneeham said:

Sadly, there is a de facto situation where a proportion of men will, given the opportunity, take advantage and mistreat women. There is also a proportion of men who will create those conditions or who will just do it anyway.

They are all criminals. We've never stamped out criminality so, sadly, the default position is essential.

This is my issue. This kind of “boys will be boys” mentality. We as a society need to move past the stance of just taking male sexual aggression as the norm. The more that is the stance we take, the more the problem continues as we continue to raise generation after generation of men who don’t understand why they need to respect women’s bodily autonomy.

For example we don’t take this attitude with Street crime. We talk about increasing stop and search, looking st Family breakdown mentoring etc.

Yet when it comes to men assaulting women it’s just “yep nothing to be done, just criminals being criminals, ladies do more to protect yourselves”.

You can’t help thinking that stance is due to a lot of men profiting from that kind of attitude. If they can reinforce the notion that it’s just men being men, then they don’t have to take responsibility for their own behaviour.

[perrykneeham]

I think that's unfair. It's not "boys will be boys" but "criminals are criminals." We've never stamped out criminality and we don't even seem to be able to deter them. They only get punished once they've done the crime, if at all, so that's a problem and a clear, ever-present menace to women. They need, we all need, to watch out for ourselves and one another. I wish it wasn't so but there it is.

[Deleted]

There's no 'boys will be boys' mentality at all. Where do you get these ideas? If there's a problem it's the proliferation in the media of violence against women.

[Repat Van]

Oct 15, 2018 11:51:18 GMT perrykneeham said:

I think that's unfair. It's not "boys will be boys" but "criminals are criminals." We've never stamped out criminality and we don't even seem to be able to deter them. They only get punished once they've done the crime, if at all, so that's a problem and a clear, ever-present menace to women. They need, we all need, to watch out for ourselves and one another. I wish it wasn't so but there it is.

It’s not unfair, it’s true.

It’s only “criminals are criminals” when it comes to women’s bodies. When it’s things such as, terrorism or street crime then we are happy to examine ways to reduce offending. We don’t just say “oh well, criminals will be criminals - hide your phones. That’s all”.

And I think it’s because to start to move from the position that Male sexual aggression is normal, it means that a lot of behaviours that we see as ok, or not that big a deal will start to be called into question. And I think a lot of men just don’t like that.

[Repat Van]

Oct 15, 2018 12:10:59 GMT @oneofthelessergods said:

There's no 'boys will be boys' mentality at all. Where do you get these ideas? If there's a problem it's the proliferation in the media of violence against women.

See the post just above yours. And any other thread on harassment.

[perrykneeham]

Oct 15, 2018 12:11:16 GMT Repat Van said:

Oct 15, 2018 11:51:18 GMT perrykneeham said:

I think that's unfair. It's not "boys will be boys" but "criminals are criminals." We've never stamped out criminality and we don't even seem to be able to deter them. They only get punished once they've done the crime, if at all, so that's a problem and a clear, ever-present menace to women. They need, we all need, to watch out for ourselves and one another. I wish it wasn't so but there it is.

It’s not unfair, it’s true.

It’s only “criminals are criminals” when it comes to women’s bodies. When it’s things such as, terrorism or street crime then we are happy to examine ways to reduce offending. We don’t just say “oh well, criminals will be criminals - hide your phones. That’s all”.

And I think it’s because to start to move from the position that Male sexual aggression is normal, it means that a lot of behaviours that we see as ok, or not that big a deal will start to be called into question. And I think a lot of men just don’t like that.

Criminals, you mean.

[Deleted]

Ha! Take a look at those we look up to: this is 'boys will be boys', not the violent rape we're discussing - no-one glibly dismisses that with 'boys will be boys'. Not that I condone the following either.

192. Women spoke of comments frequently being made during the course of their work, in either positive or negative terms, about their appearance, their dress or their “physical attributes”, and to them being the butt of
joking exchanges about such matters between Members, in their presence and often in front of others.

193. There were allegations of:

 frequent inappropriate touching;
 the invasion of someone’s personal space;
 repeatedly initiated physical contact, for example men patting women’s heads, putting their arms around women, leaving a hand on their knee for an uncomfortably long time, trying to kiss them, grabbing their arms or bottoms or stroking their breasts or bottoms;
 women being abused in vulgar, gender-related terms if they failed to do something that had been requested, or did it in a way that was considered inadequate or took too long;
 women being repeatedly propositioned; and similar allegations from some men.

link


Long and boring read, but relevant.

[mids]

Oct 15, 2018 11:37:44 GMT Repat Van said:

Oct 15, 2018 10:36:58 GMT perrykneeham said:

Sadly, there is a de facto situation where a proportion of men will, given the opportunity, take advantage and mistreat women. There is also a proportion of men who will create those conditions or who will just do it anyway.

They are all criminals. We've never stamped out criminality so, sadly, the default position is essential.

This is my issue. This kind of “boys will be boys” mentality. We as a society need to move past the stance of just taking male sexual aggression as the norm. The more that is the stance we take, the more the problem continues as we continue to raise generation after generation of men who don’t understand why they need to respect women’s bodily autonomy.

For example we don’t take this attitude with Street crime. We talk about increasing stop and search, looking st Family breakdown mentoring etc.

Yet when it comes to men assaulting women it’s just “yep nothing to be done, just criminals being criminals, ladies do more to protect yourselves”.

You can’t help thinking that stance is due to a lot of men profiting from that kind of attitude. If they can reinforce the notion that it’s just men being men, then they don’t have to take responsibility for their own behaviour.

Mad. Quite, quite mad.

[flatandy]

Oct 15, 2018 10:35:31 GMT @oneofthelessergods said:

Doesn't all this come under the heading 'Commonsense'? Women wandering the streets late at night was always inadvisable. Why is it any different now?

I think the human race is rushing towards collective stupidity.

You shouldn't leave your car parked on the street. It might get nicked. You should put it in the garage.

You shouldn't carry more than 10 quid in cash and one credit card when you're out at night. It was always inadvisable.

You shouldn't get on a plane, everyone knows they sometimes get flown into buildings...

[Deleted]

You've made my point for me.

[mids]

I never lock my door and usually just leave all my stuff out in the street because we should live in a world without crime.

[Deleted]

I knew of a bloke who went to India seeking spiritual enlightenment because he was fed-up with the crime-ridden society he was living in, got on a train in Bombay, and woke up hours later in a back alley in some town completely naked without ID or money. They'd spiked his chai on the train.

[mids]

Ha! There's nothing wrong with being positive and optimistic but fcuking idiocy isn't a good plan for life.

[voice]

and yet you support Brexit....

[mids]

etc...

[mids]

Aaaand again...

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[Deleted]

Poor girl. You can see by her hands that she's almost out. What is it with the bloke? He needs a good slap if anyone does.

[mids]

Yeah it's incredible that he didn't get into deep sh*t over that. Even if he was "only" messing about he deserves at the minimum, the sack and a good kicking.