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Post by perrykneeham on Jul 19, 2019 5:51:53 GMT
"What the hell is an “ancestral home” and why should anybody criticising their government need to go back there?"
What a weird line of argument.
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Post by perrykneeham on Jul 19, 2019 5:53:08 GMT
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 19, 2019 8:13:23 GMT
Ah, but Trump said he wasn't a racist, so for Rick its a closed case. Just like he said today he shut down the red necks last night chanting "send her back" despite the vid showing him lapping it up, to Rick it now never happened cos Trump told him he shut it down Its a cult remember But Rick doesn’t even know the difference between a video and a tweet so... |
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 19, 2019 8:14:02 GMT
Why did Trump not go on a fact finding mission to his ancestral home? Why aren’t white politicians who ever criticise a government policy told to go to their ancestral homes? What the hell is an “ancestral home” and why should anybody criticising their government need to go back there? Trump has been to both Britain and Germany since becoming president. “Since becoming president”. Why did he not do that before President and not challenge the presidency. Why did nobody tell him to “go back” to his ancestral homelands and sort things out there and stop criticising the US President / policies? |
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 19, 2019 8:18:11 GMT
"What the hell is an “ancestral home” and why should anybody criticising their government need to go back there?" What a weird line of argument. Trump and Mids argument. Who defines the parametres of an “ancestral home” and why is “going back there” a requirement for only non whites criticising the US government. |
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Post by mids on Jul 19, 2019 8:18:58 GMT
Trump has been to Britain many times before becoming president. He was always a semi regular visitor to Scotland.
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 19, 2019 8:20:45 GMT
Trump has been to Britain many times before becoming president. He was always a semi regular visitor to Scotland. Yet to play golf, not to move back there and cease criticising the US political system. Strange that... Although if that’s what it means then as long as AOC has been on holiday to Puerto Rico, and Spain and whatever else then she is allowed to criticise Trump to her heart’s content. Omar has already been to her “ancestral homeland” so job done. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Jul 19, 2019 8:29:36 GMT
"What the hell is an “ancestral home” and why should anybody criticising their government need to go back there?" What a weird line of argument. Trump and Mids argument. Who defines the parametres of an “ancestral home” and why is “going back there” a requirement for only non whites criticising the US government. Why do we have to have parameters set for us? Can't there just be a common understanding of meaning without some shrill martinet dictating approved definitions? |
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Post by mids on Jul 19, 2019 8:32:46 GMT
Trump has been to Britain many times before becoming president. He was always a semi regular visitor to Scotland. Yet to play golf, not to move back there and cease criticising the US political system. Strange that... Although if that’s what it means then as long as AOC has been on holiday to Puerto Rico, and Spain and whatever else then she is allowed to criticise Trump to her heart’s content. Omar has already been to her “ancestral homeland” so job done. Link to proof that he's never been to his ancestral home on a fact finding mission, then returned to criticise the government of the day? |
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 19, 2019 8:34:48 GMT
Trump and Mids argument. Who defines the parametres of an “ancestral home” and why is “going back there” a requirement for only non whites criticising the US government. Why do we have to have parameters set for us? Can't there just be a common understanding of meaning without some shrill martinet dictating approved definitions? If you’re going to tell somebody to f**k off back to their ancestral homeland it would help if they had any idea where they were meant to go. How long does one have to live in a country for it to be ancestral? What if you don’t have a “country” that is your ancestral homeland as it never existed in the centuries your family have lived elsewhere. Which is of course only one part of the rest of the conversation you are studiously ignoring (“why should non whites have to leave the US if they wish to criticise its government”?) |
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 19, 2019 8:35:14 GMT
Yet to play golf, not to move back there and cease criticising the US political system. Strange that... Although if that’s what it means then as long as AOC has been on holiday to Puerto Rico, and Spain and whatever else then she is allowed to criticise Trump to her heart’s content. Omar has already been to her “ancestral homeland” so job done. Link to proof that he's never been to his ancestral home on a fact finding mission, then returned to criticise the government of the day? Oh the troll has returned! |
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Post by mids on Jul 19, 2019 8:35:45 GMT
No proof then? I see. Utterly.
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 19, 2019 8:36:14 GMT
<insert troll in the dungeon image here>
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Post by perrykneeham on Jul 19, 2019 8:40:02 GMT
<insert shrill martinet demanding approved definitions image here>
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Post by perrykneeham on Jul 19, 2019 8:43:13 GMT
Ha.
<insert rational, middle aged, middle class, bloke waiting for a predictably mental slur from deranged professional victim image here>
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Post by whitewine on Jul 19, 2019 8:56:00 GMT
No proof then? I see. Utterly. For decades, Trump denied this German heritage altogether, instead claiming that his grandfather’s roots lay further north, in Scandinavia. “[He] came here from Sweden as a child,” Trump asserted in his co-written book The Art of the Deal. In fact, his cousin and family historian John Walter told The New York Times, Trump maintained the ruse at the request of his own realtor father, Fred Trump, who had obfuscated his German ancestry to avoid upsetting Jewish friends and clients. “After the war,” Walter told the Times, “he’s still Swedish. [The lie] was just going, going, going.” Trump is the son, and grandson, of immigrants: German on his father’s side, and Scottish on his mother’s. None of his grandparents, and only one of his parents, was born in the United States or spoke English as their mother tongue. (His mother’s parents, from the remote Scottish Outer Hebrides, lived in a majority Gaelic-speaking community.) Friedrich and Elisabeth Trump, colorized by Marina Amaral. (Credit: Public Domain) Friedrich Trump came to the United States amid a flood of Germans—that year alone, an estimated 1 million made the journey to settle in America. It was, the Times reported, “the start of an adventurous life as a barber, restaurateur, saloonkeeper, hotelier, entrepreneur, gold rush prospector, shipwreck survivor and New York real-estate investor.” He married a woman from his German hometown, Kallstadt, where his parents had owned vineyards, and attempted to return home with his fortune. But when his draft dodging came to the fore, the couple lost their Bavarian citizenship and were obliged to return to America for good. There, they had three children: Trump’s father, Fred, was the middle child. Born in the Bronx borough of New York City in 1905, Fred Trump was an all-American child who spoke no German. Later, he would become one of the city’s most successful young businessmen, amassing a fortune even as many around him slumped into financial ruin. In the mid-1930s, a young Fred Trump went to a party “dressed in a fine suit and sporting his trademark moustache.” Two Scottish sisters were at that same party in Queens: The younger one, Mary Anne MacLeod, was a domestic worker considering a return to her island homeland. “Something clicked between the maid and the mogul,” write Michael Kranish and Marc Fisher in their biography Trump Revealed. When Trump returned that night to the home he shared with his mother, the authors continued, he made an announcement: He had met the woman he planned to marry. Fred and Mary Trump, parents of Donald Trump. (Credit: Ron Galella/WireImage/Getty Images) MacLeod might have been living in poverty in the United States, but her origins were even less palatable. She was the child of a fisherman and subsistence farmer, and the last in a family of 10 children born in the village of Tong on the Scottish Isle of Lewis. “It was not an easy existence,” reports Politico. This vast Gaelic-speaking family lived together in a modest gray pebble-dash house, “surrounded by a landscape of properties local historians and genealogists characterized with terms like ‘human wretchedness’ and ‘indescribably filthy.’” Married to Fred Trump, MacLeod lived a radically different life of fur -coats and 50-foot yachts. In 1942, she became an American citizen and returned only occasionally to her native Scotland, where her son now owns multiple properties. While Friedrich Trump had had moderate success in real estate, he died unexpectedly in a flu pandemic before his 50th birthday, and so did not live to see many of his projects come to fruition. At his death, his net worth was around $510,000 in present-day dollars. Under the Elizabeth Trump & Son moniker, Fred Trump and his mother Elizabeth continued this work, and turned it into a flourishing business. Trump’s international origins make him relatively unusual among American presidents. Of the last 10 presidents, only two—Trump and Barack Obama—have had a parent born outside of the United States. Trump’s own immediate family has been similarly international: Two of his three wives were naturalized American citizens, originally from the Czech Republic and Slovenia. Only one of his five children, Tiffany, is the child of two American-born citizens, while his daughter, Ivanka, is the first Jewish member of the First Family in American history. But so far as his biographers have been able to tell, none of his international roots extends to Sweden. LINK |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2019 9:43:44 GMT
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 19, 2019 10:10:40 GMT
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 19, 2019 10:12:14 GMT
No proof then? I see. Utterly. For decades, Trump denied this German heritage altogether, instead claiming that his grandfather’s roots lay further north, in Scandinavia. “[He] came here from Sweden as a child,” Trump asserted in his co-written book The Art of the Deal. In fact, his cousin and family historian John Walter told The New York Times, Trump maintained the ruse at the request of his own realtor father, Fred Trump, who had obfuscated his German ancestry to avoid upsetting Jewish friends and clients. “After the war,” Walter told the Times, “he’s still Swedish. [The lie] was just going, going, going.” Trump is the son, and grandson, of immigrants: German on his father’s side, and Scottish on his mother’s. None of his grandparents, and only one of his parents, was born in the United States or spoke English as their mother tongue. (His mother’s parents, from the remote Scottish Outer Hebrides, lived in a majority Gaelic-speaking community.) Friedrich and Elisabeth Trump, colorized by Marina Amaral. (Credit: Public Domain) Friedrich Trump came to the United States amid a flood of Germans—that year alone, an estimated 1 million made the journey to settle in America. It was, the Times reported, “the start of an adventurous life as a barber, restaurateur, saloonkeeper, hotelier, entrepreneur, gold rush prospector, shipwreck survivor and New York real-estate investor.” He married a woman from his German hometown, Kallstadt, where his parents had owned vineyards, and attempted to return home with his fortune. But when his draft dodging came to the fore, the couple lost their Bavarian citizenship and were obliged to return to America for good. There, they had three children: Trump’s father, Fred, was the middle child. Born in the Bronx borough of New York City in 1905, Fred Trump was an all-American child who spoke no German. Later, he would become one of the city’s most successful young businessmen, amassing a fortune even as many around him slumped into financial ruin. In the mid-1930s, a young Fred Trump went to a party “dressed in a fine suit and sporting his trademark moustache.” Two Scottish sisters were at that same party in Queens: The younger one, Mary Anne MacLeod, was a domestic worker considering a return to her island homeland. “Something clicked between the maid and the mogul,” write Michael Kranish and Marc Fisher in their biography Trump Revealed. When Trump returned that night to the home he shared with his mother, the authors continued, he made an announcement: He had met the woman he planned to marry. Fred and Mary Trump, parents of Donald Trump. (Credit: Ron Galella/WireImage/Getty Images) MacLeod might have been living in poverty in the United States, but her origins were even less palatable. She was the child of a fisherman and subsistence farmer, and the last in a family of 10 children born in the village of Tong on the Scottish Isle of Lewis. “It was not an easy existence,” reports Politico. This vast Gaelic-speaking family lived together in a modest gray pebble-dash house, “surrounded by a landscape of properties local historians and genealogists characterized with terms like ‘human wretchedness’ and ‘indescribably filthy.’” Married to Fred Trump, MacLeod lived a radically different life of fur -coats and 50-foot yachts. In 1942, she became an American citizen and returned only occasionally to her native Scotland, where her son now owns multiple properties. While Friedrich Trump had had moderate success in real estate, he died unexpectedly in a flu pandemic before his 50th birthday, and so did not live to see many of his projects come to fruition. At his death, his net worth was around $510,000 in present-day dollars. Under the Elizabeth Trump & Son moniker, Fred Trump and his mother Elizabeth continued this work, and turned it into a flourishing business. Trump’s international origins make him relatively unusual among American presidents. Of the last 10 presidents, only two—Trump and Barack Obama—have had a parent born outside of the United States. Trump’s own immediate family has been similarly international: Two of his three wives were naturalized American citizens, originally from the Czech Republic and Slovenia. Only one of his five children, Tiffany, is the child of two American-born citizens, while his daughter, Ivanka, is the first Jewish member of the First Family in American history. But so far as his biographers have been able to tell, none of his international roots extends to Sweden. LINKIt’s amazing this first generation immigrant was never told to leave the USA instead of criticising its government. Wonder what the difference is. Can’t quite put my finger on it... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2019 10:13:00 GMT
The locals had to hide their wood-piles.
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