voice
New Member
Goals are a form of self inflicted slavery
Posts: 41,224
|
Post by voice on Feb 22, 2023 22:21:30 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by Repat Van on Feb 23, 2023 1:01:38 GMT
Backwards Britain
|
|
flatandy
New Member
Posts: 44,409
Member is Online
|
Post by flatandy on Feb 23, 2023 1:38:54 GMT
She is almost certainly an appalling person. There are no rules about appallingness and British citizenship. If there were there’d be lots of stateless Tories.
|
|
|
|
Post by Repat Van on Feb 23, 2023 3:15:46 GMT
A real two-tier citizenship system. But Britain is apparently not a racist country.
|
|
|
|
Post by Repat Van on Feb 23, 2023 3:16:45 GMT
Naturally it is pure coincidence that the BBC began a huge propaganda exercise to get Shamima Begum back into the UK just before her case was to be heard in an immigration court. A cynic might suggest they were trying to influence the decision…corrupt the process….well, they failed….but their fight continues as the BBC concentrates on the suggestion she might have been trafficked…a much over-used word that is deliberately chosen by some for its emotive effects. There is of course trafficking and then there is facilitating the journey of someone who is fully on-board with the values and beliefs of the group they want to join and is fully aware of those beliefs, values and actions…not as if the Islamic State’s actions were not plastered across the media for months if not years. I might suggest Begum was ‘facilitated’ and not ‘trafficked’…she ended up exactly where she wanted to be…..what did she think she would do when she got there? Whatever that was she was clearly happy with the thought of an ‘Islamic State’ and the actions of that State…and she wanted to be part of that. Here’s what a stduy says… ‘Women recruited by the Islamic State – so-called “jihadi brides” – often think they will be helping with front-line duties. They are, in fact, being used to solve the fighters’ “marriage crisis” and are largely confined to domestic chores such as cooking, cleaning and childrearing, according to a leading academic.’ So…the women thought they would be in the frontline fighting for the Islamic State…..does that not make them even more dangerous? Begum was known to be in a female police squad enforcing Islamic laws…a role she apparently continued with vigour in the refugee camp. ‘Shamima Begum was cruel enforcer in Isil’s morality police, say Syrian witnesses ‘ ‘According to the activists she then enrolled in al-Tala’ia camp just south of the Euphrates River in Raqqa province, where she stayed for three months receiving “military and religious training.” After that, she, Amira Abase and Kadiza Sultana, are said to have graduated to the Khansaa Battalion, a notorious all-female “police squad” which had other British members in its ranks, including Muslim convert Sally Jones. Miss Begum is then alleged to have worked for several months in al-Hisba, Isil’s religious enforcement unit. Most of the women in the Hisba took up roles on a voluntary basis and the position gave them an elevated status within the “caliphate”. “There were lots of young European women in the Hisba,” Aghiad al-Kheder, an activist from Deir Ezzor who founded Sound and Picture, told The Telegraph. “Some of them were very harsh and the local population became very scared.” He said Miss Begum carried a Kalashnikov rifle and had a reputation for being strict on women she thought were behaving in a “non-Islamic” way, according to Isil’s punitive rules.’ Not the innocent victim and good littler housewife the BBC wants to portray. ‘They hated disorder and ambiguity; the clear-cut doctrines issued by jihadist ideologues appealed to their political sensibilities. Opposing the west was their measure of religious authenticity.’ Willing victims it would seem. You still don’t know what “grooming” means. |
|
|
|
Post by Repat Van on Feb 23, 2023 3:18:49 GMT
Well, she's a stroppy-looking islamic fundamentalist in a baseball hat now. She'll have a minge like a meuzin's khaftan now, of course. Cool misogyny bro. |
|
|
|
Post by Repat Van on Feb 23, 2023 3:19:27 GMT
I saw the 2 part documentary, it was well made and looked quite balanced. Her hubby was weird and she came across as particularly unlikable. Still changes nothing, the UK govs introduction of 2 tier citizenship breaks international law and is simply wrong. Plus the fact they still haven't applied the same sanction to Samantha Lewthwaite shows the hypocrisy and the true intent Lewthwaite is white so apparently that makes all the difference. |
|
|
|
Post by Repat Van on Feb 23, 2023 3:22:46 GMT
She has only ever been British, she hasn't disavowed her UK citizenship, she hasn't expressed any intention to return to UK, nor is she in a position to be notified of any change in her status etc., she is wanted for crimes in UK etc. Shamima has only ever been British. She has never held, does not hold and has no rights to another citizenship. The comparison is straight forward. |
|
|
|
Post by Repat Van on Feb 23, 2023 3:26:14 GMT
Bangladesh disagrees: “Shamima Begum is not a Bangladeshi citizen and there is “no question” of her being allowed into Bangladesh, the country’s ministry of foreign affairs has insisted, setting up a clash with the UK after Sajid Javid’s move to strip the teenager of her UK citizenship. “The government of Bangladesh is deeply concerned that [Begum] has been erroneously identified as a holder of dual citizenship,” Shahriar Alam, the state minister of foreign affairs, said in a statement issued to the Guardian, adding that his government had learned of Britain’s intention to cancel her citizenship rights from media reports.” |
|
|
|
Post by Repat Van on Feb 23, 2023 3:38:12 GMT
But to repeat, banning her from rentry is a racist decision made by a racist government in the hope of securing support from a racist populace.
The double standards in how white grooming victims are viewed vs. brown is astounding.
|
|
mids
New Member
Posts: 60,993
|
Post by mids on Feb 23, 2023 6:38:02 GMT
Look at all those hysterical posts. The left are utterly obsessed with her.
|
|
mids
New Member
Posts: 60,993
|
Post by mids on Feb 23, 2023 6:42:42 GMT
Although strangely silent on the white Jack Letts.
|
|
|
|
Post by perrykneeham on Feb 23, 2023 7:49:07 GMT
Well, she's a stroppy-looking islamic fundamentalist in a baseball hat now. She'll have a minge like a meuzin's khaftan now, of course. Cool misogyny bro. Spoken like a brain-damaged teenager. Well done. |
|
|
|
Post by perrykneeham on Feb 23, 2023 7:51:12 GMT
Bangladesh disagrees: “Shamima Begum is not a Bangladeshi citizen and there is “no question” of her being allowed into Bangladesh, the country’s ministry of foreign affairs has insisted, setting up a clash with the UK after Sajid Javid’s move to strip the teenager of her UK citizenship. “The government of Bangladesh is deeply concerned that [Begum] has been erroneously identified as a holder of dual citizenship,” Shahriar Alam, the state minister of foreign affairs, said in a statement issued to the Guardian, adding that his government had learned of Britain’s intention to cancel her citizenship rights from media reports.” When was that written, hmmmm? |
|
|
|
Post by perrykneeham on Feb 23, 2023 7:51:51 GMT
She has only ever been British, she hasn't disavowed her UK citizenship, she hasn't expressed any intention to return to UK, nor is she in a position to be notified of any change in her status etc., she is wanted for crimes in UK etc. Shamima has only ever been British. She has never held, does not hold and has no rights to another citizenship. The comparison is straight forward. Then read the case law. |
|
|
|
Post by perrykneeham on Feb 23, 2023 7:55:01 GMT
Pathetic. I knew you couldn't do it. These aren't laws, nor have you explained how these conventions pertain to Ms.Begum. Strike 2. |
|
|
|
Post by perrykneeham on Mar 25, 2024 15:42:28 GMT
Shamima's on a sticky wicket again. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68655130It's worrying that so many people are adamant that this is unlawful, and yet court after court appear to say it is. Is the suggestion that the courts are doing the government’s bidding? |
|
mids
New Member
Posts: 60,993
|
Post by mids on Mar 25, 2024 16:02:40 GMT
I've just considered it properly. She wasn't.
"because British officials failed to properly consider whether she was a potential victim of trafficking."
|
|
|
|
Post by unclejunior on Mar 26, 2024 7:16:49 GMT
Just follow all the others to France …..
Stowaway on a dinghy and get to Londonistan to claim asylum…
Stay in a nice hotel of course & then take the job at Al Beeb that they have been offering you .
Simples …..
|
|
moggyonspeed
New Member
"Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never dealt with a cat."
Posts: 7,670
|
Post by moggyonspeed on Mar 26, 2024 10:38:39 GMT
I'm inclined to want her to stay where she is, and the reason is quite simple: I have step-children and -grandchildren that I would like to live fruitful lives without the threat hanging over them of terrorism. Certainly, our intelligence services cannot give any guarantee that terrorism has been defeated in the UK or elsewhere, so why would we seek to bring back to the UK someone with known terrorist sympathies? Then again, she couldn't keep even one of her three children alive, so why should I believe that she has taken the interests of anyone else's kids to heart? No - we're different in so many ways.
That said, if she is to be brought back to the UK, then let's not forget that she will be facing investigation of and possible prosecution for supporting IS, a known terrorist organisation. Pending investigation and prosecution, perhaps we should do what Belgium, France, Germany and the Netherlands have done under similar circumstances:
- Fit her with a GPS-tracked tag so the authorities should always know where she is
- Impose a curfew at dusk to minimise the chance of her meeting up with Islamist radicals after dark
- Any visits to her mosque to be accompanied by a suitable member of the police
- Any devices that she uses must be monitored at all times
- A formal process of de-radicalisation should take place
- Public recognition by her that all the above are fair, proportionate and part of the judicial process, leading ultimately to her rehabilitation into society
I'm still nervous about her being here, but if her presence in the UK is our saying that we are a forgiving society (which we are) and that we will still take our place in helping to defeat IS (which we must), then so be it.
|
|
