Hahahaha the Guardian

[Repat Van]

Sept 26, 2022 10:45:56 GMT perrykneeham said:

I absolutely agree that the economically disadvantaged can get the crappy end of the stick, but to characterise that as "economic racism" is a spectacularly pious bit of virtue-signalling.

What is your preferred term?

[mids]

Unlucky.

[perrykneeham]

Sept 26, 2022 12:56:33 GMT Repat Van said:

Sept 26, 2022 10:45:56 GMT perrykneeham said:

I absolutely agree that the economically disadvantaged can get the crappy end of the stick, but to characterise that as "economic racism" is a spectacularly pious bit of virtue-signalling.

What is your preferred term?

Life.

[ootlg]

A complex and interesting subject. The rich, traditionally able to afford to afford a horse and carriage into the town centres, tended to live beyond the polluted areas. The not-quite-so-rich lived closer to the town centres in areas patrolled by 'Peelers' who saw off the rogues and villains swarming around town centres. The less desirable infrastructure, including trainlines, roads and canals, was planned and built to pass through the deprived areas to avoid upsetting the rich. But in the last fifty or so years, as pollution and filth has diminished and policing improved, as travel costs have increased, the rich have moved back in and are in the process of driving out the less rich to the more undesirable suburbs. I don't think racism has played a part in this, except maybe in the 60s and 70s when black people used it as a strategy to drive out whites from some areas.

[flatandy]

The more I think about the claim, the more absurd I think it is. Drax are guilty of environmental vandalism (although it looks to be on a pretty small scale for a power company) and some pretty dubious claims (defining themselves as a renewable energy company). But it's hard to see how they're guilty of environmental racism. I'm sure their choice of locations was decided largely by permitting by the state (or possibly federally) - they didn't choose to be adjacent to predominantly black towns. Or they didn't choose to pollute only close to black towns.

The environmental racism - and I don't dispute the categorisation - is all on the American side. It's the creation of poor black towns, it's the lack of care around permitting in those places, it's the long legacy of Jim Crow and administrators not caring to try and fix that legacy. As has been widely observed elsewhere, the health of the US black population is often far worse than white equivalents, even when controlling for wealth and diet and so on. And that seems to be - among other things - a residual effect of the shocking environmental conditions, whether it's things like this or the water pollution in Flint, or in fact the recent massive water pollution in Jackson, Mississippi.

[mids]

Environmental racism could only exist if Big Cancer Chemical had thousands of leaking barrels with a skull and crossbones on the side and green vapour wafting out them and had then sat down and said, "now, shall we dump these in The Old Mine above the lake in Obamaville or The Old Mine above the lake in Trumpton?" and then decided on Obamaville because, "it's full of colo'd folks".

[mids]

Couldn't get much better. Not only did the Guardian support the Confederacy and slavery back in the day, the black people they (weirdly) employed to investigate have left and are accusing the current day Guardian of current day racism. Brilliant.

"We were hired to work on a multipart series exploring the legacies of slavery, taking the Guardian’s explorations into its own history as a starting point. We were promised a supportive environment where we could have open, generative conversations about race and narrative without the usual defensiveness and backlash we’ve all come to experience from execs of various races. That didn’t happen.

Instead, for months, we worked on a mismanaged project and had a difficult time trying to do our jobs due to the attempts of the institution to whitewash history. We were routinely undermined, unsupported and deeply frustrated by the absence of journalistic rigour and critical attention to history from a global news organisation. A key issue was the lack of any serious desire from the Guardian to face and interrogate its own historic role, what that has meant for its journalism to date, and what accountability might look like in the future.

This left room for microaggressions, colourism, bullying, passive-aggressive and obstructive management styles that have caused frustration and stress for members of the production team. Our concerns were dismissed as ‘trauma’ and ‘baggage’ rather than informed expertise and analysis, whilst they frequently admitted their own ignorance of the subject or responded defensively. We worked with execs who had no oversight of the series or subject matter and frequently had to problem-solve and work around the poor leadership and lazy production of our full-time colleagues whilst working part-time."

order-order.com/2023/01/26/guardian-accused-of-institutional-racism-by-own-anti-racism-podcasters/

[ootlg]

The Guardian's slowly going fascist. Money does it.

[mids]

It's just moving further to the left. Left= racism.

[ootlg]

Strange this left and right business, very flexible. Hitler was always regarded as extreme right, fascist, but by your standards he was a lefty.

[mids]

National Socialists.

[perrykneeham]

And the jew-hating. Very left.

[mids]

Anyway, back to the Guardian; haahahahahahahahaha, cunts.

[ootlg]

So fascism is a left thing? You seem to have gone astray somewhere: "Opposed to anarchism, democracy, pluralism, liberalism, socialism and Marxism, fascism is placed on the far-right wing within the traditional left–right spectrum."

[perrykneeham]

But if you keep going West, you end up in the East.

[ootlg]

You went west a long time ago

[perrykneeham]

Hahaha, indeed. The Guardian finds itself in another bind: "Shall we whine about Brexit or the arms industry?"

Whats a shower of shite they are. They clearly know sod all about defence procurement. But they don't care, it doesn't matter, it coleumn inches of cheesy europiss that they're craving.

www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/07/uk-will-miss-out-on-eu-massive-increase-in-arms-spending-for-ukraine

[perrykneeham]

"The EU policy discussion document, known as a non-paper, notes that there may be issues with the current capacity of European industry to meet the demands put upon it."

Sir Humphrey is alive and well.

[mids]

Hitler was a vegetarian, an environmentalist and hated Jews. He almost certainly read the Guardian.

[perrykneeham]

"The UK has been downgraded in an annual global index of civic freedoms as a result of the government’s “increasingly authoritarian” drive to impose restrictive and punitive laws on public protests.

The Civicus Monitor, which tracks the democratic and civic health of 197 countries across the world, said the UK government was creating a “hostile environment” towards campaigners, charities and other civil society bodies."

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/mar/16/hostile-authoritarian-uk-downgraded-in-civic-freedoms-index