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Post by Repat Van on May 9, 2024 9:28:28 GMT
Yes. I am aware of what that says. As the non victim and non witness - I have asked you who has labelled it “anti-Semitic” to explain how calling the current Israel offensive against Gaza “a genocide” is anti-Semitic? You seem curiously unable to answer. |
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Post by Repat Van on May 9, 2024 9:29:04 GMT
What's hilarious is to see the extreme far left wailing, "But wah wah, we only meant that white people were to be called racist. Wah! Wah!" Hoist etc. Why are you making up random stuff. How is criticism of Israel’s current behaviour “anti-Semitic”? |
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Post by Repat Van on May 9, 2024 9:31:37 GMT
Let’s be real - the people who allege that calling the conflict a genocide is “anti-Semitic” genuinely don’t think it is.
It’s why they are never able to even attempt to explain why it’s anti-Semitic. They just use it as a tool to attempt to shut down debate.
When you have Jewish people facing accusations of being anti-Semitic due to opposing Israel’s actions then you can see how nonsensical the argument is.
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Post by Repat Van on May 9, 2024 9:33:15 GMT
What's hilarious is to see the extreme far left wailing, "But wah wah, we only meant that white people were to be called racist. Wah! Wah!" Hoist etc. Good. So I'm not extreme far left after all then. Phew - the penny's finally dropped. Anyone can be (and can be called) racist - white, black, brown, yellow, red, you name it - if the cap fits, anyone. Oh, and btw, this includes some Jewish people. Oops - there I go again, making a statement that practically rhymes with " Arbeit macht frei". I think the rules are, saying that Jewish people can be racist is anti-semitic |
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Post by mids on May 9, 2024 10:08:58 GMT
Yes. I am aware of what that says. As the non victim and non witness - I have asked you who has labelled it “anti-Semitic” to explain how calling the current Israel offensive against Gaza “a genocide” is anti-Semitic? You seem curiously unable to answer. <siiiiigggghhhh> "A hate incident is any incident which the victim, or anyone else, thinks is based on someone’s prejudice towards them because of their race, religion, sexual orientation, disability or because they are transgender." 1. "the victim, or anyone else (that's me, I'm "anyone else") 2. "prejudice towards them (the victim- this may be what you're struggling with. I'm not "them", I'm "anyone else") 3. "race 1, religion" (Israel, the world's only Jewish state 2
4. All this is what I think ("thinks is based on etc) 5. See? 6. Like I've said before, it's amusing to see the left's attitude towards bigotry suddenly go from hair trigger "microaggressions" to demanding explanations and context when it's towards Jews. 1. hr.qmul.ac.uk/equality/protected-characteristics/race/definition-of-race--equality-act-2010/2. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_and_democratic_state |
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Post by moggyonspeed on May 9, 2024 11:01:41 GMT
So, by that very definition, and using the substitution method ...
1. A hate incident has occurred when a Gazan, or anyone else supporting the Gazans ...
2. ... thinks that Israel's continued attacks on Gaza are based on its prejudice towards Gazans because of their race as Palestinian Arabs and/or their religion as predominantly Muslims.
Good. I'm glad you helped us sort that out. Ta.
It's hate, and it's a crime and, when the history books are written, don't be surprised if there are war crimes to be answered for here too.
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Post by mids on May 9, 2024 11:14:45 GMT
Now you're getting it. Sauce, gander, sow, petard.
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Post by flatandy on May 9, 2024 13:28:37 GMT
I'm not sure they're wrong. The appalling racist right-wing scumbag is a fairly good fit for Starmer's party. |
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Post by flatandy on May 9, 2024 13:37:59 GMT
Also, anything which treats Jews as a single bloc who can't function as individuals, such as treating Judaism and Israel as the same (which therefore means considering anti-Israel comments as - by definition - anti-semitic) is itself anti-semitic.
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Post by Repat Van on May 9, 2024 13:48:55 GMT
Yes. I am aware of what that says. As the non victim and non witness - I have asked you who has labelled it “anti-Semitic” to explain how calling the current Israel offensive against Gaza “a genocide” is anti-Semitic? You seem curiously unable to answer. <siiiiigggghhhh> "A hate incident is any incident which the victim, or anyone else, thinks is based on someone’s prejudice towards them because of their race, religion, sexual orientation, disability or because they are transgender." 1. "the victim, or anyone else (that's me, I'm "anyone else") 2. "prejudice towards them (the victim- this may be what you're struggling with. I'm not "them", I'm "anyone else") 3. "race 1, religion" (Israel, the world's only Jewish state 2
4. All this is what I think ("thinks is based on etc) 5. See? 6. Like I've said before, it's amusing to see the left's attitude towards bigotry suddenly go from hair trigger "microaggressions" to demanding explanations and context when it's towards Jews. 1. hr.qmul.ac.uk/equality/protected-characteristics/race/definition-of-race--equality-act-2010/2. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_and_democratic_stateYep - as I said, nobody advancing this genuinely thinks it’s anti-semitic. It’s just a very transparent silencing attempt. It’s failing pretty badly too. |
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Post by mids on May 9, 2024 13:52:51 GMT
I think it's an anti-Semitic hate incident. That's literally all it takes according to the rules that you wailed for decades for. (Hoist etc). Oh and I'm not trying to "silence" anyone. I don't really care if people have racist beliefs although it is a worry in someone as senior a policy-maker as an MP.
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Post by perrykneeham on May 9, 2024 14:42:26 GMT
Also, anything which treats Jews as a single bloc who can't function as individuals, such as treating Judaism and Israel as the same (which therefore means considering anti-Israel comments as - by definition - anti-semitic) is itself anti-semitic. Not sure about that. Isn't that just being ignorant? |
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Post by perrykneeham on May 9, 2024 18:11:36 GMT
Starmer stumbles into the mire .... "Martin Abrams, a spokesman for left-wing campaign group Momentum, said Labour's response to Mrs Elphicke's apology showed clear "double standards". "A hard-right Tory MP says sorry months after offensive comments and faces no repercussions," he said. "Meanwhile, Britain's first black woman MP says sorry and is suspended for a year and counting. The Labour Leadership's commitment to equalities lies in tatters. All that matters for Starmer is how right-wing you are." Diane Abbott, who remains suspended from the party in Parliament while it investigates alleged antisemitic remarks, was not available for comment." www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68984774I think we're going to see a lot of this as he's flushed into the open. |
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Post by flatandy on May 9, 2024 18:45:21 GMT
Yeah, the whole "we can't have people like Abbott and Corbyn in the party" line looks particularly feeble when embracing rape apologist racist scum Tories.
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Post by mids on May 9, 2024 22:52:56 GMT
As ye sow, so shall ye reap. Those Bible people were very smart. The left. The. left.
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Post by Repat Van on May 10, 2024 10:01:41 GMT
Starmer stumbles into the mire .... "Martin Abrams, a spokesman for left-wing campaign group Momentum, said Labour's response to Mrs Elphicke's apology showed clear "double standards". "A hard-right Tory MP says sorry months after offensive comments and faces no repercussions," he said. "Meanwhile, Britain's first black woman MP says sorry and is suspended for a year and counting. The Labour Leadership's commitment to equalities lies in tatters. All that matters for Starmer is how right-wing you are." Diane Abbott, who remains suspended from the party in Parliament while it investigates alleged antisemitic remarks, was not available for comment." www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68984774I think we're going to see a lot of this as he's flushed into the open. He probably assumed (correctly) that a lot of people have Diane Abbott Derangement Syndrome but comparatively fewer have Natalie Elphicke Derangement Syndrome and so he could get away with having her in the party in a way he could not with Diane Abbott. |
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Post by mids on May 10, 2024 10:14:22 GMT
I've never met Natalie Elphicke. Have I said?
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Post by voice on May 10, 2024 14:28:21 GMT
Well you might, I understand you lot keep the hoods on at meetings.
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Post by perrykneeham on May 11, 2024 20:02:38 GMT
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Post by flatandy on May 11, 2024 21:41:37 GMT
He's a complete and utter thingy. He's got so hung up on the idea of being "appealing to Tories" that he's adopting the very worst Tories. Daft cunt. He'll win the next election, but I can't work out why. There'll be no meaningful changes, and no legacy and he'll be a Tessa May style irrelevance in a decade.
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