Coronavirus

[Psalms]

That Chinese wet market from what I understand, along with their other overpopulated chicken pens and hog pens, is the world's source of all the world's flus and colds . . can't their filthy animal disease source be declared a world health hazard and then shut down?

[voice]

Not sure anyone ever tried to suppress the lab leak theory, or if they did it was a piss poor effort cos it was never suppressed in any way you'd have noticed.

If I remember righly they sequenced the virus very early on and concluded it was untampered with, and had not been subject to gain of function or genetic meddling. That being said they could have been testing a wild variant and some idiot lab tech was sloppy and took it home. It was always an outside possibility that happened, it's just the wet market was just more likely given what we knew.

It dodnt help that very often the lab leak theory was wrapped up tight in numerous far right nut job conspiracy theories, bio weapon, Fauchi gain of function, China doing this deliberately and a whole swath of likewise unhinged bollox.

So really what put most off going down the lab leak path was the nuts wandering along it making all manner of absurd and fanciful claims.

[mids]

Nah, it was just an inability to think rationally on the part of the left.

[voice]

That's hillarious

[mids]

I mean you're right, there is a funny side of it when you see the left losing arguments daily but in the end it's a bit pathetic and we decent humans on the far, extreme centre actually want everyone to do well.

[voice]

And there was you at one point bragging of your PhD in a similar area, yet still glomming onto to the absurdity that this is left right thing. It's the rational approach, such I laid out, vs a psalms everything's a conspiracy approach, and cos I'm a rational centrist and you a far extreme right ideologue you have abandoned any presence of being a rational achedemic and jumped on your teams bandwagoneering around this lab thing.

It's sad really you politicize everything.

[mids]

How very left of you.

[perrykneeham]

"Race should be made a central part of the UK's independent public inquiry into the pandemic, campaigners say.

A letter seen by BBC News, sent to the chairwoman of the Covid-19 inquiry, calls for it to look at "racism as a key issue" at every stage.

Ethnic minorities were significantly more likely to die with Covid-19, according to official figures"

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64783753

I agree, let's look at the racial dimension and have a warts 'n' all report on why race was an issue, if it was.

[mids]

That's not what they want the inquiry to do. They want the inquiry to confirm that racism caused the extra covid deaths. Sadly, that's probably what it will do rather than any sort of thorough examination. Anyway, I thought that the race gap in covid deaths had closed significantly?

Ah, here we are. This must mean that the racism that was the one and only cause of the earlier disparity has gone away. See, that's what happens when you refuse to see beyond a single explanation.

"People from minority ethnic backgrounds no longer have a significantly higher risk of death from Covid-19 than white Britons, for the first time in the pandemic."

www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/22/minority-ethnic-risk-dying-covid-ons-figures-show

[ootlg]

Feb 27, 2023 11:02:50 GMT Psalms said:

Feb 18, 2023 18:12:44 GMT voice said:

See, this is why teaching critical thinking is so important at a young age, that you missed out shows in almost every post you've made on this.

Wrong again, Voice of Canada . .

I learned critical thinking by the Voice of America - Rush Limbaugh, years ago

Hahaha... he used to be VOR - Voice Of Reason - but dropped the reason bit.

[ootlg]

But anyway - strange how the outbreak started right on the laboratory's doorstep and not in some other wet market. Good old Occam.

[Psalms]

Feb 28, 2023 10:48:35 GMT ootlg said:

Feb 27, 2023 11:02:50 GMT Psalms said:

Wrong again, Voice of Canada . .

I learned critical thinking by the Voice of America - Rush Limbaugh, years ago

Hahaha... he used to be VOR - Voice Of Reason - but dropped the reason bit.

Correct . . just that he lives in Canada . . also correct about dropping the Reason bit

[moggyonspeed]

"Matt Hancock disputes claim he rejected care home Covid advice" : Blood on the hands of the b*st*rds in charge at the time

Interesting that it is The Torygraph that is putting the boot in on Matt Hancock but, yet again, who can you believe on the right?

Also also interesting was to hear Tory "Lord" Bethell on the radio this morning squirming when answering questions about missing mobile phone messages, messages that could shed light on the woeful procurement policy for unusable PPE. Apparently Bethell "got a new phone recently", totally misunderstanding that the default setting with modern phones is to transfer all messages from the old to the new device i.e. he would have had to have deleted these messages by hand (and probably did).

Also also also interesting to note is that virtually all other European nations have not only started their COVID-19 inquiries, but have gathered all their information already and have reported back already to their publics with their published findings; yet again, the UK gummint is way behind the curve on this. Not that they have any dodgy deals to hide or anything. Oh no.

[ootlg]

Transparency being part of EU doctrine of course; one of the requirements which caused the Tories so much angst.

[flatandy]

It's hilarious that Matt Hancock is getting ratfucked by his own ghostwriter. It's also hilarious - and a good guide to his judgement - that he thought it was a good idea to give Isabel Oakeshott all his confidential texts.

[moggyonspeed]

"... b-b-but they haven't signed off their accounts for 237 years! Transparency you say?"

etc. etc. etc. ...

[moggyonspeed]

Mar 1, 2023 15:59:36 GMT flatandy said:

It's hilarious that Matt Hancock is getting ratfucked by his own ghostwriter. It's also hilarious - and a good guide to his judgement - that he thought it was a good idea to give Isabel Oakeshott all his confidential texts.

Oakeshott was on t' steam-radio this morning, and it really does appear to be open season on Matt Hancock right now. Yes, she was given these texts assuming confidentiality, and yes, she views Hancock as a personal friend - but still she feels no remorse at publishing these texts as they form a large part of the book she's just had published she has the public's best interests at heart.

Even she, on the right, has now said what this correspondent was saying yesterday: that the gummint's being nowhere near publication of their COVID-19 report is unacceptable and (get this) she looks forward to Keir Starmer publishing it in the fullness of time.

Make no mistake: this Tory gummint is in terminal decline; its being seen to be politically coughing up blood is welcome, though long overdue.

[perrykneeham]

Tedious Westminster gossip. Poor show by the BBC.

[moggyonspeed]

Tedious Westminster government that killed thousands through laziness, sleaze and being out-of-control exposed further by the BBC.

Fixed etc.

[perrykneeham]

Tedious EU government killed millions by wrapping itself in red tape.