Sports in the time of Covid

[perrykneeham]

Who's diminishing rape? I said it was wrong. We discourage things that are wrong, don't we? In fact, the worse their impact, the more we discourage them, yeah?

So rape, ten years in prison.
Jay-walking, $100 fine.
Late library book, 10p charge per day and suspension of borrowing rights.

Now, see the pattern?

[flatandy]

I see the pattern.

Bigots say “what about the actual competitors?”

Actual competitors say “now I’ve spent time looking at this, trans women are women and should be compete against women”

Bigots start talking telling us that rape is the same as returning a library book late. Only different in degree. That enough late library books is the same as a rape. Any ridiculous tripe in order to distract from the fact that their previous bollocks talking point has been shot down.

[perrykneeham]

She's not a competitor, she's a recent politician and - amazingly - convert to bullshit.

If there's a pattern here it's that spoilt children get their silly posturing called out and the have a name-calling tantrum in lieu of a rational argument.

[Repat Van]

“ a name-calling tantrum in lieu of a rational argument.”

Ho ho ho - pots and kettles!

[perrykneeham]

Still, no argument.

[flatandy]

Agreed. I'm still waiting for your point.

[perrykneeham]

My point is that biological men remain biological men. They should be allowed to participate in whatever sport they like provided that their biological advantage does not disadvantage people who are not biologically male.

Would you have adults compete with U8s?

[flatandy]

So you'd ignore actual people with actual experience because they don't align with the bigotry that you wish to retain?

[unclejunior]

I am waiting for some biological women to join a Men's rugby team or boxing club & to compete against biological blokes...

[perrykneeham]

Jun 22, 2021 14:36:15 GMT flatandy said:

So you'd ignore actual people with actual experience because they don't align with the bigotry that you wish to retain?

Actual experience of what? I have actual experience of sport.

[Minge är en jävla besserwisser]

Jun 22, 2021 11:29:05 GMT flatandy said:

I see the pattern.

Bigots say “what about the actual competitors?”

Actual competitors say “now I’ve spent time looking at this, trans women are women and should be compete against women”

Bigots start talking telling us that rape is the same as returning a library book late. Only different in degree. That enough late library books is the same as a rape. Any ridiculous tripe in order to distract from the fact that their previous bollocks talking point has been shot down.

It would appear actual competitors say: "are you having a f*cking giraffe?"

www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1108399/anna-vanbellinghen-hubbard


"I am aware that defining a legal frame for transgender participation in sports is very difficult since there is an infinite variety of situations, and that reaching an entirely satisfactory solution, from either side of the debate, is probably impossible.

"However, anyone that has trained weightlifting at a high level knows this to be true in their bones: this particular situation is unfair to the sport and to the athletes."

Vanbellinghen, 27, whose qualifying efforts were disrupted by injury, pointed out that the retained benefit of taking steroids, even years earlier, is widely known.

"So why is it still a question whether two decades, from puberty to the age of 35, with the hormonal system of a man also would give an advantage [in competing against women]?

"I understand that for sports authorities nothing is as simple as following your common sense, and that there are a lot of impracticalities when studying such a rare phenomenon, but for athletes the whole thing feels like a bad joke.

"Life-changing opportunities are missed for some athletes - medals and Olympic qualifications - and we are powerless.

"Of course, this debate is taking place in a broader context of discrimination against transgender people, and that is why the question is never free of ideology.

"However, the extreme nature of this particular situation really demonstrates the need to set up a stricter legal framework for transgender inclusion in sports, and especially elite sports.

"Because I do believe that everyone should have access to sports, but not at the expense of others."

Oh, and this;

www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1108392/big-read-laurel-hubbard

[ootlg]

Have transgender groups, one for transmales and one for transfemales.

[Minge är en jävla besserwisser]

Jun 22, 2021 14:36:15 GMT flatandy said:

So you'd ignore actual people with actual experience because they don't align with the bigotry that you wish to retain?

Interestingly here was someone who has actual experince of sport and actual experience of being trans

Caitlyn Jenner opposes trans girls in women's sports as unfair

and this is what you had to say on it:

Just because one (attention demanding) trans woman who is trying to win votes for governor of California says something on trans issues, it doesn’t mean she’s right.

but it seems if you're trying to win votes for the green party it's a diferrent kettle o fish.

[perrykneeham]

If they just want to compete, let them have an Open Category. That way CIS men and CiS women can choose to join in and compete with blokes who identify as women, women who identity as chickens or fountain pens that seem to possess the spirit of Charles Dickens. Everyone can enjoy their sport, join in and enjoy a bit of competition.

[flatandy]

Why not have a womens sport category that allows women to compete.

Oh. Yes. They currently have that. And have for years.

Why do you want to restrict the kinds of women who compete?

[perrykneeham]

Restrict it to actual women? By all means.

[flatandy]

That is the current set up. Women compete against women in the women's sports category/divisions.

[perrykneeham]

Nah, only if you choose to take an artificial, constructed, philosophic position on who is female. Like a religious zealot or a flat-Earther.

[Minge är en jävla besserwisser]

It's an inspiration to all middle aged men who thought their dreams of competing in the Olympics had died.

[flatandy]

What is?