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Post by flatandy on Jan 27, 2022 14:03:53 GMT
A monocultural view is bad for an institution like the supreme court:
Roberts, Thomas, Kavanaugh, Alito, Sotomayor and Barrett are all Catholic and Gorsuch was brought up catholic. When 7 of 9 have the same religious background, it's not going to help the body have a rounded view of stuff in their decision making.
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Post by mids on Jan 27, 2022 14:05:20 GMT
Sigh...
"2: COMPREHENSIVE, UNIVERSAL
especially : broad in sympathies, tastes, or interests
a catholic taste in music"
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Post by Repat Van on Jan 27, 2022 14:06:13 GMT
Just to be clear, there are lots and lots of qualified candidates. As this is the case, why not add to the diversity of the court? Oddly, of Trump's three appointments to the Supreme Court, two were actually perfectly adequately qualified (arguably three were, but you could at least argue about the third). But two are catholic and the third raised catholic. Three are white. Two are dudes. All three are members of the political Federalist Society. It's a very narrow set of outlooks. There are probably 30 or 40 or 50 perfectly adequately qualified candidates for the job, but if the court is dominated by old white catholic dudes, it's going to lack the perspective to see things from different points of view. To the right, any Latino black person or woman on the Supreme Court is necessarily a diversity hire and unqualified. However 108 of a total of 114 Supreme Court justices having been white men (despite white men being a minority of the US population) is a sign of a far and balanced system with only the best people being hired. They’re telling on themselves. |
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Post by Psalms on Jan 27, 2022 14:33:20 GMT
Vania - "However 108 of a total of 114 Supreme Court justices having been white men (despite white men being a minority of the US population) . . . "
The Majority is hardly ever right when it comes to governing, and White men have not always been in the minority as they are today. That said, the most qualified candidates should always be preferred for the Court, and their outward appearance should not decide the selection.
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Post by rick49 on Jan 27, 2022 15:34:15 GMT
Looks like Stephen Breyer is likely to step down shortly, giving Biden a chance to nominate someone to the Supreme Court, and with a Democratic Senate a chance that the nomination won't get screwed up by McConnell and team. interesting how low the lefts regard for breyer is. traditionally the justice gets to pubicly announce their retirement. not this time. Stephen Breyer reportedly wasn't too happy his retirement news leaked todaynews.yahoo.com/stephen-breyer-reportedly-wasnt-too-212740414.htmlnot even given the courtesy of announcing his own retirement. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Jan 27, 2022 15:53:24 GMT
Just to be clear, there are lots and lots of qualified candidates. As this is the case, why not add to the diversity of the court? Oddly, of Trump's three appointments to the Supreme Court, two were actually perfectly adequately qualified (arguably three were, but you could at least argue about the third). But two are catholic and the third raised catholic. Three are white. Two are dudes. All three are members of the political Federalist Society. It's a very narrow set of outlooks. There are probably 30 or 40 or 50 perfectly adequately qualified candidates for the job, but if the court is dominated by old white catholic dudes, it's going to lack the perspective to see things from different points of view. If there are plenty of genuinely qualified candidates images of whatever colour then that's fine. Let the best candidate win. |
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Post by flatandy on Jan 27, 2022 16:11:48 GMT
But there is no "best candidate" and this isn't a competition.
There are lots of perfectly good candidates, so you might as well pick the candidate that's most appropriate. If, like Donald Trump, you think the most appropriate thing is the destruction of the administrative state and the tearing down of separation of church and state and letting businesses run the country, you appoint Kavanaugh and Gorsuch. If you think the most appropriate thing is having as wide a range of people as possible with as wide a range of experiences as possible (within the context of them obviously being law nerds who've spent their adult life in law-nerd-land), you might decide that you'll pick one of the three of four black women who're obviously just as qualified as anyone else.
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Post by Repat Van on Jan 27, 2022 16:20:38 GMT
Looks like Stephen Breyer is likely to step down shortly, giving Biden a chance to nominate someone to the Supreme Court, and with a Democratic Senate a chance that the nomination won't get screwed up by McConnell and team. interesting how low the lefts regard for breyer is. traditionally the justice gets to pubicly announce their retirement. not this time. Stephen Breyer reportedly wasn't too happy his retirement news leaked todaynews.yahoo.com/stephen-breyer-reportedly-wasnt-too-212740414.htmlnot even given the courtesy of announcing his own retirement. Oh no…. The media reported news. How terrible! |
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Post by Repat Van on Jan 27, 2022 16:21:15 GMT
Vania - "However 108 of a total of 114 Supreme Court justices having been white men (despite white men being a minority of the US population) . . . "The Majority is hardly ever right when it comes to governing, and White men have not always been in the minority as they are today. That said, the most qualified candidates should always be preferred for the Court, and their outward appearance should not decide the selection. White men have always been a minority in the US. Always. |
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Post by Repat Van on Jan 27, 2022 16:22:19 GMT
But there is no "best candidate" and this isn't a competition. There are lots of perfectly good candidates, so you might as well pick the candidate that's most appropriate. If, like Donald Trump, you think the most appropriate thing is the destruction of the administrative state and the tearing down of separation of church and state and letting businesses run the country, you appoint Kavanaugh and Gorsuch. If you think the most appropriate thing is having as wide a range of people as possible with as wide a range of experiences as possible (within the context of them obviously being law nerds who've spent their adult life in law-nerd-land), you might decide that you'll pick one of the three of four black women who're obviously just as qualified as anyone else. They don’t understand the concept of multiple brilliant candidates. (Unless they’re white men of course)… |
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Post by perrykneeham on Jan 27, 2022 16:24:00 GMT
But there is no "best candidate" and this isn't a competition. There are lots of perfectly good candidates, so you might as well pick the candidate that's most appropriate. If, like Donald Trump, you think the most appropriate thing is the destruction of the administrative state and the tearing down of separation of church and state and letting businesses run the country, you appoint Kavanaugh and Gorsuch. If you think the most appropriate thing is having as wide a range of people as possible with as wide a range of experiences as possible (within the context of them obviously being law nerds who've spent their adult life in law-nerd-land), you might decide that you'll pick one of the three of four black women who're obviously just as qualified as anyone else. Do they not want the best person in the job? Are they happy with whatever? That seems absurd. |
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Post by flatandy on Jan 27, 2022 16:43:36 GMT
The best person for the job will be a black woman. The fact that she's a black woman will make her the best person for the job.
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Post by mids on Jan 27, 2022 16:56:26 GMT
Queer. Is melanin advantageous in understanding the complexities of law? what's the biological mechanism?
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Post by flatandy on Jan 27, 2022 17:03:52 GMT
It is not. There's nothing that makes white men actually worse at law, per se.
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Post by voice on Jan 27, 2022 17:29:49 GMT
Isn't being catholic a good thing? Only if you want child abuse to be normalized... |
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Post by rick49 on Jan 27, 2022 17:33:41 GMT
Oh no…. The media reported news. How terrible!
they pis*ed on him for a headline.
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Post by rick49 on Jan 27, 2022 17:34:39 GMT
Queer. Is melanin advantageous in understanding the complexities of law? what's the biological mechanism? white men need not apply. |
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Post by voice on Jan 27, 2022 17:36:46 GMT
Having the highest court reflect the diversity of the society it rules over should be the aim. Though as the GOP is now almost exclusively a white party that's fighting the fantom replacement theory culture war bs to the exclusion of all else these days, it's a massive threat to have a court that reflects where the country is at.
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Post by rick49 on Jan 27, 2022 17:41:35 GMT
Do they not want the best person in the job? Are they happy with whatever? That seems absurd.
it is absurd. meritocracy has been deemed racist.
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Post by flatandy on Jan 27, 2022 18:05:35 GMT
You think it's been a meritocracy when 108 of the 114 justices have been white men? I guess that clarifies what you consider to me "merit".
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