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Post by perrykneeham on Nov 23, 2024 16:40:26 GMT
I don't think rape is something for a civil court. It's so serious that it should be a matter of proof beyond reasonable doubt.
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Post by voice on Nov 23, 2024 16:49:39 GMT
The civil courts are often the only recourse given how few rape cases ever make it to court and how even less are taken seriously by dibble.
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Post by perrykneeham on Nov 23, 2024 17:17:02 GMT
I'm not sure it's Dibble's fault. It's just a difficult one to prove, or disprove, come to that. If the standard isn't to achieve a criminal prosecution, it isn't met.
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Post by perrykneeham on Nov 23, 2024 17:17:45 GMT
Rape is rape is rape. No is no.
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Post by flatandy on Nov 23, 2024 21:28:48 GMT
Agree that the criminal courts should prosecute rape. But when they can't be arsed or the police are sh*t and don't believe the victim, then civil court ends up being the only route to gain any punishment or even acknowledgement of the wrong done.
Nobody wants to go to civil court for these things, but because rape is a bastard to prove and doubly bastardly to prove when the police and public prosecutors can't be f**k*d to act, it's often becomes the only available option.
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Post by perrykneeham on Nov 24, 2024 8:10:28 GMT
"But when they can't be arsed or the police are sh*t and don't believe the victim,"
Oh look, that's just silly. I don't believe either situation arises. I agree that it's often impossible to prove and especially where everyone's been drinking and taking drugs all night and parting hard. Now, I have said time after time that people should be able to act as they want and wear what they want. No means no. It's unsurprising that these charges keep arising from circumstances where young women have gone to private parties in hotel rooms with aggressive entitled men when everyone's been having a good time, substances have been taken and assumptions made.
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Post by mids on Nov 24, 2024 9:07:05 GMT
Wonder why she didn't do a private prosecution? Higher bar maybe?
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Post by perrykneeham on Nov 24, 2024 9:22:46 GMT
Sounds like she should stay away from mini bars i penthouse suites for sure. She shouldn't need to, of course, but there it is. We're asking the impossible here of the police - to respect people's liberty and privacy, and to intervene afterwards.
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Post by Repat Van on Nov 24, 2024 14:01:55 GMT
O'dibble being as disinterested in violence against women as British Dibble is not an argument against why she won in civil court, or that it wasn't in fact an assault. Though I always question the decision making that goes into going back to the room of a violent testosterone boosted dullard, drinking and taking sh*t loads of drugs then being surprised when things get out of hand. Maybe she still is naive enough to not operate under the impression that all men are trash. She will learn. (But seriously is a damning indictment on men as a collective that this argument is often made. Because women will happily drink and take a sh*t load of drugs with a woman go to chill at her place and fully expect that things “won’t get out of hand”. |
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Post by Repat Van on Nov 24, 2024 14:03:02 GMT
How do you square this sort if thing? "A woman who accused Conor McGregor of raping her has won her claim against him for damages in a civil case. A jury found that the Irish mixed martial arts fighter assaulted Nikita Hand in a Dublin hotel in December 2018." www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyrxl00151oI can quite believe that a bloke who's career is based on aggression and violence could assault someone, especially when they had been on a drugs and booze bender, but that's part of the problem. "The jury had previously heard that on the day of the attack Ms Hand and her colleague Danielle Kealy went to the hotel's penthouse suite with McGregor and Mr Lawrence after their work Christmas party. They gave evidence of how they had been partying all night from 8 December into the morning of 9 December and had been heavily drinking and taking cocaine. 'Placed in a chokehold' Ms Hand, a mother-of-one, told the court how McGregor had pinned her to a bed before assaulting her. She was left with extensive bruises and abrasions over her body, including on her hands and wrists. There was a bloodied scratch on her breast and tenderness on her neck after she said she was placed in a "chokehold" by McGregor. He denied causing the bruising, saying it could have happened after she "swan dived" into the bath in the hotel room." I don't disbelieve the victim, but how do they go about establishing what went on, especially when O'Dibble has declined to get involved? I am glad she won. Solely because it was against Macgregor who by all accounts appears to be an awful person. Even if he did not do this he did something. |
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Post by Repat Van on Nov 24, 2024 14:03:52 GMT
I don't think rape is something for a civil court. It's so serious that it should be a matter of proof beyond reasonable doubt. Sometimes it’s the only form of justice a victim can hope to get given how few make it to criminal courts and lead to convictions. |
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Post by Repat Van on Nov 24, 2024 14:05:02 GMT
Rape is rape is rape. No is no. No maybe “no” but more importantly the absence of a “no”is not necessarily a “yes”. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Nov 24, 2024 14:16:29 GMT
I don't think rape is something for a civil court. It's so serious that it should be a matter of proof beyond reasonable doubt. Sometimes it’s the only form of justice a victim can hope to get given how few make it to criminal courts and lead to convictions. See, I don't think that's justice. If it was about justice, they'd waive the lolly and there would be a lot more cases of ordinary people taking this route. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Nov 24, 2024 14:20:07 GMT
Rape is rape is rape. No is no. No maybe “no” but more importantly the absence of a “no”is not necessarily a “yes”. I certainly don't disagree with that. See the French trial. Also an absence of "because you are obliged to, wife". |
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Post by flatandy on Nov 24, 2024 14:27:52 GMT
Sometimes it’s the only form of justice a victim can hope to get given how few make it to criminal courts and lead to convictions. See, I don't think that's justice. If it was about justice, they'd waive the lolly and there would be a lot more cases of ordinary people taking this route. Agree it's not justice. But it's all the justice McGregor will face for raping her. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Nov 24, 2024 16:08:25 GMT
Yeah, sort of. Except he'll always be able to say "not guilty in a REAL court" and "gold digger" etc. And, as we've seen before, the kind of inadequate INCEL that thinks he's a real man will see their way clear to making it all okay.
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Post by perrykneeham on Nov 24, 2024 16:11:58 GMT
"Maybe she still is naive enough to not operate under the impression that all men are trash."
Imagine if someone else had made that statement about another group.
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