Fourteen little children killed in Texas school shooting

[voice]

Though its still odd you can buy a high powered firearm and unlimited ammunition at 18 yet have to wait till 21 to have a legal drink.

It should also be noted, the majority of US citizens actually agree with sensible gun control, things like waiting periods, background checks, closing gun show and ghost gun loopholes and keeping the mentally ill and terrorists from buying firearms and so on, but as I said earlier, the NRA has a stranglehold on the GOP who stop any attempt at gun control, and in fact take every opportunity to boost gun sales (there are more guns than people ffs). Saw a tweet from Abbot saying he was embarrassed cos Texas was second in gun sales, he wanted them to be first.



Greg Abbott
@gregabbott_TX

Governor candidate, TX
I'm EMBARRASSED: Texas #2 in nation for new gun purchases, behind CALIFORNIA. Let's pick up the pace Texans. @nra

[Psalms]

Don't blame the object, guns . . .

Instead, blame the person (where the true blame lies)

Humans are predators - they'll never change

[happyhammerhead]

Oh please... The word 'predator' means an animal seeking prey for food. In human terms, the same or exploitation for sex, etc..

In every sense, a predator is looking for practical gain.

What gain does a teenager get for shooting little kids?

[Psalms]

Humans as the top predator at this time has the instinct to kill for its own personal reasons, and society encourages this for its own ends. The mentally ill, however, kill outside of the established norms. Soldiers have that natural instinct brought to the surface for the Governments' interests. Therefore, guns aren't the true problem - a lack of self control is the mentally ill killers' excuse. In the military, "Just followin' orders" is no longer an acceptable excuse - that ended at the Nuremberg Trials - and good riddance !

[voice]

Oh do fcuk off, the US is not the only place to have mentally ill people, though it's far from certain this boy was mentally ill, and the boy in Buffalow certainly wasn't nor are most of the mass shooters, and the US is also far from the only place to have violent people, but what you do have is more guns, and in particular, easier access to high power battlefield weapons, so yeah guns are very much the issue.

Though as long you lot love your guns more than your children, this will end up as just one case of a continuing phenomenon.

[Repat Van]

May 26, 2022 2:13:01 GMT Psalms said:

Humans as the top predator at this time has the instinct to kill for its own personal reasons, and society encourages this for its own ends. The mentally ill, however, kill outside of the established norms. Soldiers have that natural instinct brought to the surface for the Governments' interests. Therefore, guns aren't the true problem - a lack of self control is the mentally ill killers' excuse. In the military, "Just followin' orders" is no longer an acceptable excuse - that ended at the Nuremberg Trials - and good riddance !

This sounds like something you made up. If it’s just a “people problem” why is the issue so much more worse in the USA?

(We also don’t actually yet know that this 18 year old was mentally ill).

[mids]

You haven't done your Serious Crime Melanin Test yet?

[ootlg]

As there will always be some who are touched in the head is it not best to restrict their access to guns? Seem sort of, er, basic stuff. To put it more simplistically for those who get confused by schoolboy philosophy - you can get rid of guns but you can't get rid of nutters.

[Psalms]

This sounds like something you made up. If it’s just a “people problem” why is the issue so much more worse in the USA?

(We also don’t actually yet know that this 18 year old was mentally ill). - Vania

I'll bet the US also leads the world in Psycho-Med use too. That would be a good indication as to our collective mental health.

I'll also go out on a limb here and say he was in fact mentally ill.

And another point . . years ago America was already awash in weapons, but not in mass killings. This is only recently happening here (the last 50 years or so).

[ootlg]

Yes. That's an interesting point. I'll hazard that it's the internet. Years ago America was already awash with psycho-meds, especially strong illegal ones.

[Psalms]

The Woodstock generation had the good stuff !

[flatandy]

America was nowhere near as awash with weapons before Columbine, say. And the weapons it was awash with were mostly the kind of small pistols that grannies kept in their handbags or which were used for actually hunting deer. Tactical assault weapons may have existed but in much, much tinier numbers than currently.

But you are right that the US has lots of gun deaths that aren’t mass shootings, so we should really take almost everyone’s guns away

[Psalms]

"Assault weapons" is only a name in these cases. All these guns are is an ordinary rifle with an extended clip. They are just designed to look "cool", painted all black and such. Much like how trainers are designed to look - but they are all still just trainers. I'll admit that there is no need to have an extended clip, but if they carry a half-dozen smaller ones, the fire-power is still the same. As to the thought that there were less guns in years past - that's just not true. Every farm kid had 22's, shotguns, etc . . , and city kids had their dad's sport rifles. Remember all the Westerns on TV? . . that never made anyone go out to shoot 'em up anywhere. People's thinking has changed for the worse lately, simply said.

[flatandy]

Thinking that it's fine to have "just an ordinary rifle" is, of course, a key part of the problem.

Thinking that there's nothing odd about an extended clip is, of course, part of the problem.

Selling guns that "are designed to look cool" is, of course, part of the problem.

And yes, there were way fewer guns in the past - while the percentage of households with a gun is basically unchanged at about 40%, the number of guns went from under 300m to over 400m in the last 10 years. The US manufacture of guns tripled since 2000. And, again, they're different guns.

[Psalms]

Like I said before, there is really no need for an extended clip - but I guess it's all a part of the "look" of a cool rifle.

As everyone knows, the population of the United States had greatly increased over the years, and so obviously has gun sales. And with the rise of thick people committing violent crimes, a lot of Americans have a need for self-defense, so they responsibly buy guns for protection from the criminal ilk.

[flatandy]

The population hasn’t increased by 300% in 20 years. The per-capita rate of gun ownership has gone up - there were 80 guns for every 100 people 10 years ago. 120 per 100 1 year ago.

[Psalms]

As American society steadily deteriorates due to thick criminals, normal people naturally buy the means to protect themselves and their families. That should be common sense to anyone.

If the Texas school teachers were armed, they could have taken out the shooter while the cops were waiting for half an hour outside in the parking lot.

[flatandy]

Hahaha! You believe this? You think that primary school teachers are going to attack an armed man when the armed and trained police don’t? The attacker apparently went past the armed guard in front of the school unobstructed and the armed police did nothing for an hour. What this tells me is that arming the good guys, even arming and training the good guys, isn’t going to be the thing that stops this. They all waited until an elite unit arrived. Your average run of the mill cop with his few hours of training, and your average primary school teacher who wants nothing to do with guns (because they’re a primary school teacher and they want to teach 5 year olds how to read better) aren’t going to suddenly have the elite marksmanship skills needed.

What stops this is not letting people have access to guns.

[Repat Van]

May 27, 2022 10:17:49 GMT Psalms said:

As American society steadily deteriorates due to thick criminals, normal people naturally buy the means to protect themselves and their families. That should be common sense to anyone.

If the Texas school teachers were armed, they could have taken out the shooter while the cops were waiting for half an hour outside in the parking lot.

The cops were armed and did not take down the shooter - what makes you think teachers would fare any better?

[perrykneeham]

There was a big deal being made about the shooter having been able to walk straight into the school.

That's exactly what people should be able to do. The default position should be that schools are safe public places where you don't go unless you have legitimate business there. They shouldn't need guarding FFS.

You can walk straight into our local schools. Not that I do, of course.