The Queen

[Repat Van]

Sept 22, 2022 17:23:19 GMT perrykneeham said:

Sept 22, 2022 14:35:18 GMT ootlg said:

But they can be removed, which was entirely my point (as you knew).

So can ours. See above.

So if we don’t like Charles we can vote him out at the next election?

[mids]

Vote him out of what?

[Repat Van]

Sept 23, 2022 11:56:27 GMT mids said:

Vote him out of what?

His position as head of state.

[perrykneeham]

Sept 23, 2022 11:32:21 GMT Repat Van said:

Sept 22, 2022 17:23:19 GMT perrykneeham said:

So can ours. See above.

So if we don’t like Charles we can vote him out at the next election?

In theory, yes.

[Repat Van]

Sept 23, 2022 18:33:55 GMT perrykneeham said:

Sept 23, 2022 11:32:21 GMT Repat Van said:

So if we don’t like Charles we can vote him out at the next election?

In theory, yes.

Cool - when is this election and how does voting him out work?

[perrykneeham]

Sept 23, 2022 20:10:46 GMT Repat Van said:

Sept 23, 2022 18:33:55 GMT perrykneeham said:

In theory, yes.

Cool - when is this election and how does voting him out work?

You vote for a party that has an explicitly republican manifesto.

[mids]

1999. The usual way.

[flatandy]

So if an explicitly republican party wins a majority of seats in Parliament, the monarchy will cease to exist as soon as those seats are declared?

[mids]

There'd be a referendum, in the spirit of belt and braces.

[perrykneeham]

Sept 23, 2022 20:46:21 GMT flatandy said:

So if an explicitly republican party wins a majority of seats in Parliament, the monarchy will cease to exist as soon as those seats are declared?

Surely you know how Parliament works? Say that a Prol part stood on an explicitly clear manifesto commitment to ending the Monarchy. If they won, with a majority in the Commons and THE Lords....

They might even back that up with a plebiscite. Sound familiar?

[flatandy]

So, again, there's no way to vote him out. Glad we're agreed on that then. There's no formal method for a transition.

[mids]

No, as discussed votes could be carried out to do away with the monarchy.

[Repat Van]

Sept 23, 2022 20:33:59 GMT perrykneeham said:

Sept 23, 2022 20:10:46 GMT Repat Van said:

Cool - when is this election and how does voting him out work?

You vote for a party that has an explicitly republican manifesto.

So when you said I could vote Charles out, you lied. Also who is talking about being a Republic? I am talking about voting out the current head of state the way I could my current MP.

You lied when you said that’s possible.

[Repat Van]

Sept 23, 2022 21:05:17 GMT perrykneeham said:

Sept 23, 2022 20:46:21 GMT flatandy said:

So if an explicitly republican party wins a majority of seats in Parliament, the monarchy will cease to exist as soon as those seats are declared?

Surely you know how Parliament works? Say that a Prol part stood on an explicitly clear manifesto commitment to ending the Monarchy. If they won, with a majority in the Commons and THE Lords....

They might even back that up with a plebiscite. Sound familiar?

A lot of “ifs” and “mights” there.

[perrykneeham]

Sept 23, 2022 22:10:52 GMT Repat Van said:

Sept 23, 2022 21:05:17 GMT perrykneeham said:

Surely you know how Parliament works? Say that a Prol part stood on an explicitly clear manifesto commitment to ending the Monarchy. If they won, with a majority in the Commons and THE Lords....

They might even back that up with a plebiscite. Sound familiar?

A lot of “ifs” and “mights” there.

Nah. It's pretty straightforward Sorrybif reality triggers you.

[perrykneeham]

Sept 23, 2022 22:09:36 GMT Repat Van said:

Sept 23, 2022 20:33:59 GMT perrykneeham said:

You vote for a party that has an explicitly republican manifesto.

So when you said I could vote Charles out, you lied. Also who is talking about being a Republic? I am talking about voting out the current head of state the way I could my current MP.

You lied when you said that’s possible.

In what way have I lied? You don't vote to remove a Prime Minister. You vote to remove the party.

Also, there are many MPs, but one monarch (the clue's in the name).

[perrykneeham]

Sept 23, 2022 21:08:30 GMT flatandy said:

So, again, there's no way to vote him out. Glad we're agreed on that then. There's no formal method for a transition.

Bollocks. By "formal", do you mean "dedicated" or "specific"? That's what referenda are for. Really, you're all at sea here.

[ootlg]

A plebiscite's not a referendum.

[perrykneeham]

Sept 24, 2022 7:22:16 GMT ootlg said:

A plebiscite's not a referendum.

They are the same thing, surely?

[perrykneeham]

Plebiscite: "the direct vote of all the members of an electorate on an important public question such as a change in the constitution."
e.g.
"the administration will hold a plebiscite for the approval of constitutional reforms"

Referendum: "a general vote by the electorate on a single political question which has been referred to them for a direct decision."