Cultural Influx

[flatandy]

I agree that EU immigrants to Britain were all, to a man, brilliant. And most Brits who emigrated to the EU before it was banned by the fascist British state were also brilliant.

[perrykneeham]

Not the women though, eh? Interesting.

[ootlg]

I agree that what Andy says ^^^ is absolutely the truth and brilliant.

[mids]

The best immigrants the world has ever seen (last 500 years or so) are the British people who explored and improved up the rest of the world. Closely followed by other European types doing similar.

[ootlg]

Shame they thieved so much which belonged to the people of those countries; built big houses back home, called themselves royalty, lords and ladies and things, and gave each other medals and fat pensions while subjugating their own people to the point of abject misery with the power they gained.

[moggyonspeed]

Shame also that they broke pretty much every treaty they made with the indigenous peoples they subjugated when they realised that land, natural resources and imperial advantage were all up for grabs. Still, it's good to know that the UK Government no longer breaks, at a whim, treaties that it signed up to and sometimes even brokered themselves. Oh, hang on ...

Then, of course, there's Drogheda, Wexford, the transatlantic slave trade, the Opium Wars, South African concentration camps for Boer women & children, the '43/'44 starvation of Bengalis by Churchill, the mistreatment of the Mau Mau in Kenya, Trevelyan's woeful response to the Irish potato famine, the Malaya intervention, the British "expedition" to Tibet etc. etc. ... and that's just the intended stuff.

The west's introduction of smallpox to the Americas (estimated to have killed over 20M natives within just a few generations), whilst not perhaps intended, can hardly be characterised as a good outcome for its indigenous peoples.

[perrykneeham]

Wow! What a torrent of stale student union piss. It's almost like you're saying we all did a holocaust really, so let's call it quits.

[moggyonspeed]

Possibly, although, as we are (apparently) a Christian nation, I prefer to think of my approach as more "mote and beam" - Matthew 7, 1-5.

[mids]

The British Empire was a tremendous force for good in the world. Also other Europeans.

[voice]

Well ut was certainly good for a small number of brits and other Europeans, the rest of the world, nit so much.

[ootlg]

Feb 13, 2023 9:59:25 GMT perrykneeham said:

Wow! What a torrent of stale student union piss. It's almost like you're saying we all did a holocaust really, so let's call it quits.

Wow what a torrent of sour privileged redneck piss.

[mids]

[moggyonspeed]

“Man is the only Patriot. He sets himself apart in his own country, under his own flag, and sneers at the other nations, and keeps multitudinous uniformed assassins on hand at heavy expense to grab slices of other people's countries, and keep them from grabbing slices of his. And in the intervals between campaigns he washes the blood off his hands and works for the universal brotherhood of man - with his mouth.”

- Mark Twain

[mids]

Obviously "intellectual" should be in inverted commas but it is still true today.

"It is a strange fact, but it is unquestionably true that almost any English intellectual would feel more ashamed of standing to attention during ‘God save the King’ than of stealing from a poor box. All through the critical years many left-wingers were chipping away at English morale, trying to spread an outlook that was sometimes squashily pacifist, sometimes violently pro-Russian, but always anti-British."

[moggyonspeed]

Classic obfuscation from our so-called patriots here.

Mentions English twice and British once, which is perhaps a bellwether for where their putative patriotism truly lies.

[mids]

The extreme far left hate it. Hate. It. When you quote Orwell at them.

[moggyonspeed]

Indeed, far right or far left, Orwell had some great quotes. Here’s one of my favourites of his ...

“I always disagree, however, when people end up saying that we can only combat Communism, Fascism or what not if we develop an equal fanaticism. It appears to me that one defeats the fanatic precisely by not being a fanatic oneself, but on the contrary by using one's intelligence.”

[mids]

Feb 13, 2023 22:13:06 GMT moggyonspeed said:

Indeed, far right or far left, Orwell had some great quotes. Here’s one of my favourites of his ...

“I always disagree, however, when people end up saying that we can only combat Communism, Fascism or what not if we develop an equal fanaticism. It appears to me that one defeats the fanatic precisely by not being a fanatic oneself, but on the contrary by using one's intelligence.”

Exactly. You should try this approach. It's worked well for us on the extreme rational centre.

[moggyonspeed]

Every time, old son. I will criticise all sides when logic dictates.

You, on the other hand and just as one example of many, kept banging on about Truss having “Strength in Depth” - and let’s all reflect on how that turned out ...

[perrykneeham]

Nice try. The Tories had SID, not Truss.