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Post by Repat Van on Mar 20, 2024 10:51:54 GMT
This is interesting:
“The hospital currently under the spotlight is The London Clinic where the Princess of Wales is recovering from her abdominal surgery. It is also where Prince Philip had his abdominal surgery in 2013. ”
“Abdominal surgery” appears to be the go to euphemism.
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Post by mids on Mar 20, 2024 10:55:42 GMT
From your hysterical shriek:
"You thought the Royals would be in an NHS hospital???!"
From my calm, thoughtful answer:
"Sometimes they do".
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Post by flatandy on Mar 20, 2024 11:16:34 GMT
Turns out it was a private clinic. Still probably a foreigner though. Of course it was a private clinic. Surely nobody thought the Princess would use the same medical stuff that mortals do. |
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Post by flatandy on Mar 20, 2024 11:18:55 GMT
It is interesting that the one time that one Royal had to use the NHS because private medicine just didn’t have the ability to do the surgery is the one time that gets all the hype and shows how proletarian and down with the common man the Royal Scum are.
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Post by Repat Van on Mar 20, 2024 12:23:52 GMT
Turns out it was a private clinic. Still probably a foreigner though. Of course it was a private clinic. Surely nobody thought the Princess would use the same medical stuff that mortals do. Mids apparently thought the royals generally joined NHS waiting lists. (Interestingly a lot of the time when they DO use NHS hospitals they actually are in the private wing.) |
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Post by moggyonspeed on Mar 20, 2024 12:36:28 GMT
Of course it was a private clinic. Surely nobody thought the Princess would use the same medical stuff that mortals do. Mids apparently thought the royals generally joined NHS waiting lists. (Interestingly a lot of the time when they DO use NHS hospitals they actually are in the private wing.) I would purposely not allow the royals to access the NHS. Even if just one bed were freed up this way for hoi polloi, then that's a win as far as I'm concerned. |
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Post by mids on Mar 20, 2024 12:49:22 GMT
So you're in favour of the privatisation of healthcare then?
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Post by mids on Mar 20, 2024 12:50:35 GMT
Of course it was a private clinic. Surely nobody thought the Princess would use the same medical stuff that mortals do. Mids apparently thought the royals generally joined NHS waiting lists. (Interestingly a lot of the time when they DO use NHS hospitals they actually are in the private wing.) "Sometimes". "Generally". Why don't you know the difference? |
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Post by flatandy on Mar 20, 2024 13:00:01 GMT
Mids apparently thought the royals generally joined NHS waiting lists. (Interestingly a lot of the time when they DO use NHS hospitals they actually are in the private wing.) I would purposely not allow the royals to access the NHS. Even if just one bed were freed up this way for hoi polloi, then that's a win as far as I'm concerned. Thoroughly disagree. If the posh and rich and influential all had to use the same services as the oiks and were treated exactly the same as Dave from Nuneaton, allocated to doctors and hospitals randomly, you can be sure they’d be more careful at keeping those services decent. |
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Post by moggyonspeed on Mar 20, 2024 13:24:06 GMT
Nah - If the Marchioness of Budleigh Salterton wishes to visit the Royal Devon & Exeter Hospital, you can bet your bottom dollar they'll roll out the red carpet, everything spick & span, uniforms ironed to a crisp knife edge, all fingernails scrubbed etc. ... but the moment said Marchioness leaves it's "back on yer 'eads" / "as you were". So Dave, who has since moved to Newton Abbot, will once again experience the NHS he has become used to. Besides which, there has been an apparent breach in data security relating to Kate The Commoner's medical records recently - and this in a private hospital too. How much worse could the security of the royals be put in jeopardy should Frank The Fornicating Farmer from Frithelstock be seen walking the corridors of the RD & E whilst waiting for an X-ray for his farmers' lung? You haven't thought this through, mate, have you?  |
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Post by flatandy on Mar 20, 2024 14:03:13 GMT
If the Margrave of Langton Matravers were a regular user of Swanage General, he would try very hard to make sure that the place was not full of superbugs and had the most up to date equipment and well trained doctors across a full range of specialisms. Even if - human nature being what it is - they all apply extra hairspray on the day he visits, the fundamentals will still be better. Even better, if the Margrave didn't know which hospital he was going to end up in but couldn't buy his way into a good one, he'd be working to make sure they were all decent.
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Post by Repat Van on Mar 20, 2024 14:06:17 GMT
I would purposely not allow the royals to access the NHS. Even if just one bed were freed up this way for hoi polloi, then that's a win as far as I'm concerned. Thoroughly disagree. If the posh and rich and influential all had to use the same services as the oiks and were treated exactly the same as Dave from Nuneaton, allocated to doctors and hospitals randomly, you can be sure they’d be more careful at keeping those services decent. No what would happen us more doctors would pop overseas to actually be able to make some money. (Waiting lists are obscene - the more people encouraged off them is a GOOD thing.) |
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Post by Repat Van on Mar 20, 2024 14:07:38 GMT
Mids apparently thought the royals generally joined NHS waiting lists. (Interestingly a lot of the time when they DO use NHS hospitals they actually are in the private wing.) "Sometimes". "Generally". Why don't you know the difference? Nah your reaction was not “sometimes” or you would not have been surprised it was a private clinic. Don’t backpedal now. |
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Post by Repat Van on Mar 20, 2024 14:09:11 GMT
So you're in favour of the privatisation of healthcare then? “So what you really mean is….” It’s possible to support a system with both public and private offering. |
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Post by Repat Van on Mar 20, 2024 14:10:15 GMT
I would purposely not allow the royals to access the NHS. Even if just one bed were freed up this way for hoi polloi, then that's a win as far as I'm concerned. Thoroughly disagree. If the posh and rich and influential all had to use the same services as the oiks and were treated exactly the same as Dave from Nuneaton, allocated to doctors and hospitals randomly, you can be sure they’d be more careful at keeping those services decent. Also “allocated to doctors and hospitals randomly”’is awful. And exactly why private healthcare is a good thing. You should be able to choose your specialist as necessary based on their history and expertise (similar as you would a plastic surgeon - obviously that would be unworkable on the NHS.) |
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Post by mids on Mar 20, 2024 14:15:16 GMT
"Sometimes". "Generally". Why don't you know the difference? Nah your reaction was not “sometimes” or you would not have been surprised it was a private clinic. Don’t backpedal now. My word was "sometimes". My "surprise" was non-existent. |
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Post by flatandy on Mar 20, 2024 14:36:53 GMT
You should be able to choose your specialist as necessary based on their history and expertise (similar as you would a plastic surgeon - obviously that would be unworkable on the NHS.) So rich people should have better healthcare than poor people? |
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Post by Repat Van on Mar 20, 2024 14:43:42 GMT
You should be able to choose your specialist as necessary based on their history and expertise (similar as you would a plastic surgeon - obviously that would be unworkable on the NHS.) So rich people should have better healthcare than poor people? I think you should be able to select your specialist if you can pay for it. I think it would be great if everybody could but that’s not feasible for obvious reasons (waiting lists would become impossible to manage for one thing.) (Also you would end up with a very similar situation to state schools where the rich congregate around better schools. The wealthy and connected are not sending the children to state schools in the worst parts of Peckham for example. But my stance is the state should be there to step in and help those who can’t. Those with means should be paying for their treatment as a first step. |
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Post by moggyonspeed on Mar 20, 2024 14:53:48 GMT
Practically the only reason for going private in the UK is to avoid the NHS queues; the treatment is the same, delivered by a cohort of staff who may also work (or have worked) in the NHS (I know my surgeon does), and with outcomes the same (according to research done by a medical insurance provider). I suspect that the facilities in the private sector are better, although Mrs. Moggs experience at The Manor Hospital in Oxford was not what one might call The 4-Star Treatment; she herself works for the NHS, and she "expected better".
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Post by flatandy on Mar 20, 2024 15:00:51 GMT
Given what preceded The Manor Hospital at The Manor site, I would not have been surprised to discover it was an uncomfortable crappy place which smelled of piss, usually with lazy incompetent staff who had f**k all idea how to do anything.
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