Armageddon outofhere

[wetkingcanute]

Russia has warned that Moscow will pay “special attention” to the UK as the country “is vulnerable” in a nuclear strike.

Russian state TV host said that the UK has specifically made huge mistakes, and Britain is Russia’s “traditional enemy” and the Russian Northern Fleet will pay attention “against it.”

The host said, “We will pay special attention to Britain as our traditional enemy as a significant part of the [Russian] Northern Fleet will work against it.

Should we be worried?
I don't seem to be - but wtf do I know.

[wetkingcanute]

Member nations of NATO are preparing for a potential World War Three following a "depraved" nuclear weapons pivot from Vladimir Putin.

The Russian despot on Tuesday signed a new decree approving changes to the country's nuclear weapons doctrine to allow him to press the dreaded red button following any conventional missile strike from a rival state. The alterations have relaxed the parameters for a potential all-out nuclear conflict, and has left world leaders on edge.

[mids]

Nah. Putin's a bit of a blowhard.

[voice]

He's just waiting for Trump to get in power to get the US and Russia to sign a modern Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact that sees the US leave NATO so Vlad can retake the Baltic states and move on Poland.

[perrykneeham]

The short answer is no. That's the thing with nuclear weapons.

I'm not sure I can add much to the longer answer really. There are too many moving parts. If the US cuts off aid and assistance, Ukraine's fcuked. I imagine that Trump will call for a halt on the Dneiper which will be a bitter pill for Ukraine, but ultimately practical and defensible. Let the Russian-speakers be Russian. Then dig in, join NATO, and let Russia stew.

[flatandy]

" the country “is vulnerable” in a nuclear strike."

Hmm. I'm not sure there are many countries which aren't vulnerable in a nuclear strike.

[flatandy]

Nov 20, 2024 19:05:49 GMT perrykneeham said:

The short answer is no. That's the thing with nuclear weapons.

I'm not sure I can add much to the longer answer really. There are too many moving parts. If the US cuts off aid and assistance, Ukraine's fcuked. I imagine that Trump will call for a halt on the Dneiper which will be a bitter pill for Ukraine, but ultimately practical and defensible. Let the Russian-speakers be Russian. Then dig in, join NATO, and let Russia stew.

I suspect this is true.

I also think that Biden has won the Ukraine war, just like Kissinger won in Vietnam.

[mids]

Of course, all wars will end when Trump ascends.

[mids]

Also, it seems a while since we heard from CND. Whither Bruce Kunt?

[perrykneeham]

Also, wither Agent Korbz?

[flatandy]

It's funny how Korbz and other shitheaded left wing fellow travellers are now aligned with the cuntz on the right who want to appease Putin and end the war in the name of "peace".

[flatandy]

I'm fine with Biden letting the Ukes use ATACMS inside sovereign Russian territory. The Russians are pissed off but, frankly, it's their own fault for invading a sovereign country so they should have thought twice about "things exploding on someone else's soil" when they started doing it.

I'm much less fine with Biden shipping a bunch of landmines to Ukraine. That feels like a massive step backwards. Sure, the Russians are mining the sh*t out of everything, but that's a wanker's game.

[perrykneeham]

Well, I guess that's why the Yanks never gave them up, despite The People's Princess. War's like that. I note that the US AP mines are designed to degrade after a certain period, which is something, I suppose.

[mids]

Finland's got billions of mines on their Russian border. Putin can piss off with his whining.

[voice]

Yeah, given how much Trump like to surrender, the Ukes won't have much choice but to accept the loss of a third of their country to the invader. Putin being rewarded for his aggression is going to have longer term impacts.

I can't see Europe stepping up to fill the gaps when Trump starts
fellating Vlad again and cuts and runs.

[mids]

And of course all the wars started under Biden.

[flatandy]

Nov 20, 2024 22:00:37 GMT voice said:

Yeah, given how much Trump like to surrender, the Ukes won't have much choice but to accept the loss of a third of their country to the invader. Putin being rewarded for his aggression is going to have longer term impacts.

I'm not convinced. It would be better, of course, if Trump didn't just surrender pathetically and hand over chunks of an allied country to an aggressor.

But Russia invaded three years ago, will end up with much less than they wanted, have failed to show they can meaningfully project power outside of Central Asia and the Caucasus, expended ridiculous amounts of political capital, ridiculous amounts of military equipment (massively reducing Russia's stockpiles), quite a lot of human capital. It's been miserable for the Ukes and they will probably still end up screwed, but for the rest of us it's probably enough to make Vladimir think twice before any future military venture into anywhere that's not Georgia or Kazakhstan. He knows he can't just easily waltz into countries and annex them.

Just like Kissinger actually won in Vietnam while losing the war*, Biden is winning in Ukraine even if the war ends in Russia's favour.

* As I've argued before, usually to derision, the Communist advance got bogged down in South East Asia and didn't make it past Laos and Cambodia, and during 25 years of fighting, the Chinese and Russian assistance stayed where it was and there was no knock on into Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia, Burma, Bangladesh and India which was the real fear.

[voice]

If he pulls the US out of NATO I'm not so sure Vlad just accepts a third of Ukraine, then sulks back to the Kremlin to kick his wounds. NATO without the US might not have the cohesion to effectively stop Vlad taking a bite out of the Baltic states or even Poland, only France and the Brits have a nuclear capability (the UKs being controlled by the US) and I don't get the sense many in central and western Europe would want to send recourses, men and equipment, to take on Russia.

[voice]

In fact this latest but of nuclear dick waving by Vlad towards the UK might be cos he knows Trump and Musk (which ever one is in charge) won't have their back quite soon

[perrykneeham]

It's worth remembering of course that Russia is not the USSR, that the Red Army was pretty lame, and that the Russian armed forces have been utterly bloody useless in Ukraine.

It is also worth remembering that the UK has it's own nuclear deterrent.