Don't mention the treaty.

[peakman]

Everything is to be, "After the election". You think so? New Labour knows it is history come the general election. What is vital for the two key British players in this stitch up, Mandy and Tony, is that the Lisbon Treaty is ratified a.s.a.p, all else falls by the wayside, including New Labour, that "Trojan Horse", which upon ratification of the Lisbon Treaty will have served it's purpose, (Gordon Brown having been bought) the great "European Project" will then continue it's agenda.

Think this "European beast" can be stopped? Not so. In the event of either the Irish or Czechoslovakia voting against the treaty, the E.U. will simply move to "Plan B" and ratification will take place via "Majority vote". Only by leaving the E.U. can we the British people avoid the fate of Europe. It is said that "Cometh the day, cometh the man". Will that man (or woman) please stand up, cos I can't see him, or her.

[lawrencegrenville]

Heart-breakingly true in my view

[imam]

We don't live in a democracy anymore thats for sure. Labour have demolished the notion of a free people deciding their future at the ballot box - something unthinkable even in the darkest days of Thatcher's Britain.

[buzzy]

Benelux countries seek to stop Tony Blair becoming EU President Tony Blair's bid to become the EU's first President is facing fresh resistance after the Benelux countries sought to block a Briton from taking the post.

Britain is regarded by Belgium, Luxembourg and the Netherlands as too Eurosceptic and not sufficiently pro-EU to take the new job which is created by the Lisbon Treaty.

source - www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/6266300/Benelux-countries-seek-to-stop-Tony-Blair-becoming-EU-President.html

TB would relish the opportunity to 'screw' DC and were would "Meddleson" figure in all this?

[peakman]

What is the point about this years party conferences? Unless we declare U.D.I. come next year this time whatever anything that is said by any British party will be totally irrelevant., a new European order will be in place.

By 2014 there could be no British currency, the monarchy will have been (certainly to all intents and purposes) abolished and our armed forces "integrated" into the new European defence force. Brittan, along with Magna Carta will be, no more. So I ask again, "What is the point of political debate at Conference level unless what is being debated is whether or not we leave the E.U."

A referendum now would solve that problem and I for one would be happy to go along with the result, whatever that may be. It's a "Democratic thing". But that's not going to happen, is it?

[buzzy]

Peakman - Bravo, your middle paragraph above is spot on.

I am really worried however at the thought of Tony Blair becoming President of the EU and David Cameron becoming the British Prime Minister. Whatever little credibility we have in Europe would be decimated by the grinning oaf.

[peakman]

We have an American president who does not really love the British, our involvement in the slave industry plus, his own fathers experience as a Black Kenyan under British colonial rule could be influencing factors in a young half black American.

With this mind set I can well see how our credibility could be around zero with such a president and as far as credibility is concernd, loose the "Respect" of America does not, in the present climate viz American/European (French) put us "up there" with this clique. Quite the contrary the French will take full advantage of the situation to ensure we understand our position in the great scheme of things, that is to say the "European Project" as envisaged by Jean Monnet and the likes of Arther Salter back in the years between the two World Wars.

Idealistic, defiantly. A supra-national body, an elite, unfettered by the whims of democracy, no more "Nation states" or "Nationalism". (The root cause of all European conflicts for centuries) Thus will Utopia be built in Europe. That's the general idea anyway. Will it work? Many seem to think it will, possibly even President Barrack Obama. I just think America is too democratic to buy it.

Our credibility in Europe? It matters not one jot.

[wazwo]

Oct 8, 2009 9:49:02 GMT buzzy said:

Peakman - Bravo, your middle paragraph above is spot on.

I am really worried however at the thought of Tony Blair becoming President of the EU and David Cameron becoming the British Prime Minister. Whatever little credibility we have in Europe would be decimated by the grinning oaf.

proble is Buzzy we have no credibility in the EU we have given these crooks our country on a plate they must be laughing their nuts of at our stupidity.