VikingHumpingWitch
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Jan 22, 2009 15:41:55 GMT
If we have to throw money at a situation that will never be resolved unless an outbreak of plague kills off most of the local population, it might as well go to fuelling the futile hope of peace - preventing Hamas from acquiring rockets would go a long way towards that, I reckon.
If you think Israel would bomb Gaza without rockets being fired at them then I'm not even going to bother continuing this.
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Post by bertrus2 on Jan 22, 2009 16:03:51 GMT
If you think Israel would bomb Gaza without rockets being fired at them then I'm not even going to bother continuing this. Legitimate self-defence does not necessarily include mass murder. Evacuating the most vulnerable from Israel's border areas is one thing. Respecting the conditions of the cease-fire, of which lifting or loosening the economic blockade of Gaza was another. Halting, or limiting, attacks on Gaza which caused hundreds of casualties, in the period before the invasion, is yet another. |
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Jan 22, 2009 16:06:31 GMT
If you think Israel would bomb Gaza without rockets being fired at them then I'm not even going to bother continuing this. Legitimate self-defence does not necessarily include mass murder. Evacuating the most vulnerable from Israel's border areas is one thing. Respecting the conditions of the cease-fire, of which lifting or loosening the economic blockade of Gaza was another. Halting, or limiting, attacks on Gaza which caused hundreds of casualties, in the period before the invasion, is yet another. So you agree that those dead Palestinians would still be alive if Hamas were not firing rockets into Israel? At least that's a start. |
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Post by bertrus2 on Jan 22, 2009 16:32:16 GMT
you agree that those dead Palestinians would still be alive if Hamas were not firing rockets into Israel? You're not taking into account how extremist Tzipi is. She's the daughter of terrorists and committed to wiping Palestine off the map and replacing it with a Jewish state. "Israel's Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni said any further opening of the border depended on the release of Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit, who has been held by Palestinian militants since June 2006." "The Jewish state has been tied to the Livni family with a special bond since zero hour. For Livni, personal history is national history. Her parents were among the first couples to marry in the newborn state, the day after its foundation, on May 15, 1948. Her father, Eitan, served as operations chief for the Irgun, the Zionist guerrillas who used what would today be called terrorist methods to blast the British out of Mandate Palestine. Her mother, Sarah, was also an Irgun fighter; she suckled her daughter on visions of Eretz Israel, the biblical "Land of Israel," including Judea and Samaria on the West Bank. " New York Tiimes The invasion of Lebanon in 2006 was not a response to rocket fire, but the pretext was the capture of two Israeli soldiers by Hizbollah. Hundreds of Palestinians were killed in Gaza before the end of the ceasefire and the upsurge in rocket attacks. The most pressing reason for the invasion of Gaza this time was the upcoming Israeli elections and the end of the Bush administration. |
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VikingHumpingWitch
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Jan 22, 2009 16:36:31 GMT
You are as astute as ever. I am not taking her into account at all, in fact, because I'm talking about how all this could be avoided if Hamas are unable to fire rockets into Israeli civilian areas.
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Post by Tissue on Jan 22, 2009 16:38:33 GMT
Hamas surely would stop if asked, after all they aren't hell bent on wiping Israel off the face of the Earth, if they were Bertrus would have mentioned it during his unbiased reasoning
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Post by bertrus2 on Jan 22, 2009 20:56:57 GMT
I'm talking about how all this could be avoided if Hamas are unable to fire rockets into Israeli civilian areas. No, it wouldn't be avoided. The timing might be different. The destruction might be spread out rather than concentrated into the period leading up to the Israeli elections but, no, it wouldn't be avoided, since Israel is dedicated to wiping Palestine off the map. |
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Post by bertrus2 on Jan 22, 2009 21:04:58 GMT
Hamas surely would stop if asked Their ultimate goal is exactly the same as that of Israel, to replace the other lot. As a political party, the Change and Reform Party (Hamas political wing, think IRA/Sinn Fein) has offered Israel an indefinte truce and it has been rejected. The distortion of reality is the total support offered by America, diplomatically, economically and militarily, for Israel. There is no solution until catastrophic external events unblock the situation. |
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