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Post by Libby on Jan 22, 2009 22:13:17 GMT
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Post by Beachcomber on Jan 22, 2009 22:16:46 GMT
I think it's a great idea.
let's hope they actually get to talk to each other and realise that there are human beings on both sides and that all our wars are caused by ideologies - not the poor soldiers on the ground.
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Post by tarrant on Jan 22, 2009 22:33:03 GMT
I too think it's a good idea.
But regardless of their feelings, there are a number of issues here all of which justify treating all injured personel together.
Nice piece of Daily Mail muck raking though.
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Post by reverend on Jan 22, 2009 22:36:12 GMT
its common practice, happened in the Falklands and Gulf wars, not sure why it's an issue now??
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Post by voice on Jan 22, 2009 22:56:13 GMT
Whats news about this, every conflict in modern times has seen health care dispenced as to need not to whose side the casulaty is from
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Post by SKYBLUE on Jan 22, 2009 23:31:38 GMT
'This surely isn't acceptable!' Hmmmn! Hey, maybe they'll bludgeon each other to death with bedpans!!!
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Post by puffin on Jan 22, 2009 23:35:25 GMT
It's standard proceedure. The enemy soldiers are usually screened off and guarded. I'm surprised that the soldiers have complained...I wonder if they really have... because they know it's the way it's always been in combat situations. The job of the medical staff is to treat all injured, including enemy combatants.
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Post by sushimo on Jan 22, 2009 23:40:32 GMT
I believe this is a non story, this is the way it has always been, and we can but hope that Tarrants ideal can become a reality.
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Post by reverend on Jan 23, 2009 1:28:25 GMT
I dont think Tarrants dream is realistic, the guys in those hospitals are in no state to have a debate!
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Post by peakman on Jan 23, 2009 14:12:56 GMT
It as always been acceptable to soldiers, one soldier does not hate another soldier, they are all just soldiers and they know it. There is a plaque depicting this at the site of a Turkish WWl battle Field, on it is engraved the picture of a soldier carrying a fallen enemy across his shoulders, as ex squaddie I can relate to that. Also, in the battle for the hearts and minds, which is the essence of the conflict in Afghanistan, what impression would a wounded Taliban, having had his wounds treated by his enemy, have of his enemy. Eye for an eye etc? Maybe not.
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Post by Sabre on Jan 23, 2009 15:43:39 GMT
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Jan 23, 2009 15:47:01 GMT
I love that we have people with actual military experience posting here, cos I would have said Oh my god this is appalling if I hadn't read that actually it always happens.
Cheers, I like to learn now and again.
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Post by SKYBLUE on Jan 23, 2009 15:58:44 GMT
(Soldiers are) dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy.Hmmmn nice? ...makes you feel really patriotic doesn't it? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kissinger
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Post by tarrant on Jan 23, 2009 16:43:15 GMT
Soldiers are generally used as pawns of foreign policy rather than to defend their nations.
But they aren't stupid any more than the non-soldiers who are brainwashed into supporting murderous campaigns in far distant corners of the globe for the profit of a few.
Their problem is they must follow orders. Politics and military are a dangerous mix. They act on our behalf.
The real fault is ours for failing to properly supervise our leaders and allow them to get us all embroiled in other people's fights.
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Post by SKYBLUE on Jan 23, 2009 18:02:05 GMT
'The real fault is ours for failing to properly supervise our leaders and allow them to get us all embroiled in other people's fights.'Fat chance of that I guess. Corruption through the ranks and all that! I heard somewhere that the best way to keep these bastid politicians on a leash is to make it compulsary for their offspring at 16yo to go out on the front line first. That way they might think twice about committing other peoples children into falsified wars!
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Post by tarrant on Jan 23, 2009 18:14:01 GMT
make it compulsary for their offspring at 16yo to go out on the front line first. That way they might think twice about committing other peoples children into falsified wars! ( That is certainly an option. But our biggest enemy is our own apathy. The feeling that we really can't make any difference. We can. But we can only be effective as individuals. Making a stand that we do not accept any justifation for our troops to be involved in any military action that doesn't affect our shores. The problem with organisations is they invariably tend to be taken over by those with additional agenda.
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Post by Beachcomber on Jan 23, 2009 19:04:47 GMT
Just a question out if the blue ........ But does anyone know who was the last King of England to lead his troops into battle ?
(or General, or Prime Minister, etc) ?
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Post by puffin on Jan 23, 2009 19:10:47 GMT
The last English king to lead his own army in battle was King George II, at the battle of Dettingen, in 1743.
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Post by puffin on Jan 23, 2009 19:13:50 GMT
I believe Wellington also led his troops into battle.
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Post by SKYBLUE on Jan 23, 2009 19:18:54 GMT
Wasn't it the Grand Old Duke of York? Heard he was a daft sod! Fecking useless strategy!
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