Woolf
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Post by Woolf on Jan 25, 2009 18:25:18 GMT
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Post by sushimo on Jan 25, 2009 18:41:41 GMT
Condell has always courted the worst of everything. I will have to look for a link to this story, I don't always totally believe what he says!
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Post by tarrant on Jan 25, 2009 18:49:18 GMT
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Amazed
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Post by Amazed on Jan 26, 2009 3:21:12 GMT
The Dutch laws say that incitement to racial hatred is a crime. If you break the laws of a country you can expect to be prosecuted. That's how simple it is.
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Post by newyorker on Jan 26, 2009 3:23:32 GMT
The Dutch laws say that incitement to racial hatred is a crime. If you break the laws of a country you can expect to be prosecuted. That's how simple it is. Shame on Finland! |
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Post by cobblers on Jan 26, 2009 11:31:46 GMT
What race was he inciting hatred of?
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Amazed
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Post by Amazed on Jan 26, 2009 12:55:17 GMT
The Dutch law:
[1] Article 137d deals with public incitement to hate, discrimination or violence against a person because of race, religious convictions, gender, sexual orientation, physical or mental handicap.
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ricklinc
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Post by ricklinc on Jan 26, 2009 12:58:04 GMT
The Dutch law: [1] Article 137d deals with public incitement to hate, discrimination or violence against a person because of race, religious convictions, gender, sexual orientation, physical or mental handicap. Ah, then it's pretty clear that Dutch lawmakers are not muslims. |
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Post by mids on Jan 26, 2009 13:08:05 GMT
Pat condell's great. :thumb:
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Post by cobblers on Jan 26, 2009 13:10:31 GMT
So in Holland you can't criticise Satanism, as it might incite hatred against satanists?
Interesting that all the other charatcteristics cited are things that are intrinsic to a person, whiel only one deals with beliefs. Youy can't criticise beliefs (if they are religious) in case they 'incite hatred' against people who hold those beliefs?
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Amazed
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Post by Amazed on Jan 26, 2009 13:25:44 GMT
I don't know their laws at all. But my guess would be that there is a distinct difference between "criticizing" and "inciting hatred".
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Post by cobblers on Jan 26, 2009 14:21:15 GMT
What is 'inciting hatred'? If I say scientology is a dangerous cult, is that inciting hatred of scientologists?
Why single out religious beliefs for immunity? Why the distinction between religious and other political beliefs/ideologies?
And take a hypothesis - if there wa a religion (cough, cough) which incited hatred of unbelievers, does the immunity still apply? Would people be criminalised for pointing out that that religion incites hatred of the unbeliever?
The religion can incite hatred, but to point that out is inciting hatred of a religion, of people who subscribe to that ideology therefore is a criminal offence?
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Post by tarrant on Jan 26, 2009 14:24:00 GMT
Same laws exist in this country and most of the EU.
Criticism is one thing, inciting hatred is another.
Having said that, I don't know the specifics of this case. I did see the Fitna video, have a copy on my HD. It didn't incite any hatred in me.
Quite frankly, I really don't know why people like this guy put themselves into all the bother. Muslims incite plenty of hatred for themselves.
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Post by thenomad on Jan 26, 2009 14:30:06 GMT
Funnily enough the Dutch Public Prosecutor stated that no crime had been committed. However, the people who want Wilders silenced or even better imprisoned for standing up for his own views on the rampant infestation by Islam of The Nethelands went to a judge to get that changed. Now there has to be an investigation and persecution despite the prosecutors views.
This is not about incitment as there was nothing in the film (which was crap) to cause any incitement. What is about is that there are some for whom any adverse comment, or even telling the truth about Islam is to be supressed.
Of course demanding death to all infidels is a matter of freedom of expression - making public an anti-islamic view is religious intollerence.
I live and work in Holland. There are many people who think this is a very sad day for Holland and for freedom of speech and expression in general.
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Post by tarrant on Jan 26, 2009 14:44:07 GMT
Anyone need a copy of Fitna?  If there is enough demand, I'll post it on a file sharing site.  Warning. This is not intended to incite any hatred against any group.  |
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Post by radge on Jan 26, 2009 15:57:24 GMT
this area is too much of a grey area thus it shouldnt even be a law. Lets keep things simple so litigation and law breaking is clear and concise and delivers justice not a version of justice.
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Post by cobblers on Jan 26, 2009 15:59:26 GMT
Well said. Incitement to violence is where the line should be drawn.
Any incitement to hatred law would've had quite a bit of work following the anti-Israel protests of the last couple of weeks.
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Post by radge on Jan 26, 2009 16:06:55 GMT
Post it tarrant  heh heh. I do think this is a freedom of speech case. and that is the main principle which should stand. Not this new law. |
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