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Post by limeylily on Jan 25, 2009 19:05:40 GMT
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Post by limeylily on Jan 25, 2009 19:38:45 GMT
And for those who bandy the term "War Crimes" around at every opportunity, here's the correct definition. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crime"War crimes includes violations of established protections of the laws of war....." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_war "By the same token, combatants that use protected people or property as shields or camouflage are guilty of violations of laws of war and are responsible for damage to those that should be protected." "It is a violation of the laws of war to engage in combat without meeting certain requirements, among them the wearing of a distinctive uniform or other distinctive signs visible at a distance, and the carrying of weapons openly. Impersonating soldiers of the other side by wearing the enemy's uniform is allowed, though fighting in that uniform, like fighting under a white flag, is perfidy which is forbidden, as is the taking of hostages." Note: The deliberate targetting of civilians with rocket fire (as Hamas has done for the past 8 years) is a war crime. Using civilians as shields (as Hamas has done) is a war crime. Crossing into a neighbouring country and kidnapping a young soldier to be held as a hostage (as hamas has done) is a war crime . |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2009 19:48:01 GMT
And for those who bandy the term "War Crimes" around at every opportunity, here's the correct definition. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crime"War crimes includes violations of established protections of the laws of war....." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_war "By the same token, combatants that use protected people or property as shields or camouflage are guilty of violations of laws of war and are responsible for damage to those that should be protected." "It is a violation of the laws of war to engage in combat without meeting certain requirements, among them the wearing of a distinctive uniform or other distinctive signs visible at a distance, and the carrying of weapons openly. Impersonating soldiers of the other side by wearing the enemy's uniform is allowed, though fighting in that uniform, like fighting under a white flag, is perfidy which is forbidden, as is the taking of hostages." Note: The deliberate targetting of civilians with rocket fire (as Hamas has done for the past 8 years) is a war crime. Using civilians as shields (as Hamas has done) is a war crime. Crossing into a neighbouring country and kidnapping a young soldier to be held as a hostage (as hamas has done) is a war crime . I don't doubt that the IDF try very hard to only strike out the militants in Hamas. Which begs the question whether the civilians go along with the militants in their midst. If they do then the whole shabang has to be addressed and outsiders let in to aid in the resolution of this conflict. |
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Post by limeylily on Jan 25, 2009 20:11:17 GMT
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Post by Amazed on Jan 25, 2009 20:30:45 GMT
Don't worry. Israel will stand behind its war criminals. Israeli PM in war crimes pledge Any Israeli soldiers accused of war crimes in the Gaza Strip will be given state protection from prosecution overseas, the country's PM has said. Ehud Olmert said troops should know Israel would keep them safe after they acted to protect their country. Palestinians say 1,300 people died during the offensive, and UN officials want independent probes into whether war crimes were committed. news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7850085.stm |
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Post by bertrus2 on Jan 25, 2009 20:51:53 GMT
I don't doubt that the IDF try very hard to only strike out the militants in Hamas. They would have made a much better job of avoiding casualties if they hadn't sent in forces, armed with an array of American weapons to pulverize a defenceless population and destroy schools, hospitals, police stations and government buildings and anyone in them or in the vicinity. Irrael is a terrorist state and there is nothing accidental about its crimes. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2009 21:01:04 GMT
Then we are all terrorist states who have launched weaponry in our defence. 'Terrorist' seems to be the defining word of the 21st century. All the men in Iraq and Afghnistan are terrorists. All the people of North Korea. It's all hogwash frankly. Cuba is probably the only country which hasn't gone about launching missiles, but then they are wearing the silly hat anyway and have the default bad guy status covered  |
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Post by limeylily on Jan 25, 2009 23:24:29 GMT
Palestinians say 1,300 people died during the offensive, and UN officials want independent probes into whether war crimes were committed. War crimes were committed but not by the Israelis. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crime"War crimes includes violations of established protections of the laws of war....." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_war"By the same token, combatants that use protected people or property as shields or camouflage are guilty of violations of laws of war and are responsible for damage to those that should be protected.""It is a violation of the laws of war to engage in combat without meeting certain requirements, among them the wearing of a distinctive uniform or other distinctive signs visible at a distance, and the carrying of weapons openly. Impersonating soldiers of the other side by wearing the enemy's uniform is allowed, though fighting in that uniform, like fighting under a white flag, is perfidy which is forbidden, as is the taking of hostages." Threfore: The deliberate targetting of civilians with rocket fire (as Hamas has done for the past 8 years) is a war crime.
Using civilians as shields (as Hamas has done) is a war crime.
Crossing into a neighbouring country and kidnapping a young soldier to be held as a hostage (as hamas has done) is a war crime . |
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Post by Amazed on Jan 25, 2009 23:28:12 GMT
Well, we will see.
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Post by Brittles on Jan 25, 2009 23:30:34 GMT
"Ehud Olmert said troops should know Israel would keep them safe after they acted to protect their country."
It should be that mental defective that should be in the dock.
Hang him high.
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Post by limeylily on Jan 26, 2009 0:01:37 GMT
Don't worry. Israel will stand behind its war criminals. Israel didn't go quite as far as Hamas in protecting its war criminals, with one sewer rat commenting on the war from the safety of Beirut, and another issuing demands to Israel from his hidey hole in Damascus. However, Israel did go a lot further to protect its civilians, something Hamas could never be accused of doing. |
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Post by Brittles on Jan 26, 2009 0:07:49 GMT
"However, Israel did go a lot further to protect its civilians, something Hamas could never be accused of doing."
Well Slimey they didn't have American tax payer funded Apache helicopters to defend their children with.
Go to Ramla cemetery S.E. of Tel aviv and see the graves of British soldiers murdered by your beloved Jewish terrorists.
Spit on their grave while your there punk.
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Post by SKYBLUE on Jan 26, 2009 0:18:08 GMT
Wow that's pure genius!... Interviewing a former soldier who promotes violence in the name of peace? Rocket science ..it is NOT!  |
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Post by limeylily on Jan 26, 2009 0:26:56 GMT
"However, Israel did go a lot further to protect its civilians, something Hamas could never be accused of doing." Well Slimey they didn't have American tax payer funded Apache helicopters to defend their children with. Go to Ramla cemetery S.E. of Tel aviv and see the graves of British soldiers murdered by your beloved Jewish terrorists. Spit on their grave while your there punk. Funnily enough my uncle was over there in 1947 and was saved by a Jewish student when an Arab armed with a knife tried to steal his pay packet. He remained friends with the Jewish student and his family until his death a fw years ago. Perhaps you'd better go see the graves of British soldiers murdered by your Arab mates, smelly sock - but I guess their murderers aren't mentioned on the gravestones, eh? |
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Post by limeylily on Jan 26, 2009 0:29:55 GMT
Wow that's pure genius!... Interviewing a former soldier who promotes violence in the name of peace? Rocket science ..it is NOT! Doh - He wasn't interviewed on his knowledge of rocket science, genius, but on his knowledge of military tactics! Got it now? |
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Post by Brittles on Jan 26, 2009 0:36:01 GMT
Slimey,
There are all actually defined as Non War Deaths by the Commonwealth War Graves Commission - something I've enquired about - because being shot through the back of the head by a Stern Gang punk in no way can be classed as a Non War Death. Its murder by a terrorist, in that case a Jewish Terrorist.
Needless to say I'm still waiting on a reply. A tad too sensitive maybe?
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Post by SKYBLUE on Jan 26, 2009 0:40:06 GMT
Doh - He wasn't interviewed on his knowledge of rocket science, genius, but on his knowledge of military tactics! Got it now?Hahahahahahahahaha Indeed
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Post by mingthemerciless on Jan 26, 2009 1:42:10 GMT
HEY!
Lay off my mate Limey, she is apt to become a bit confused, but thats no reason to take advantage!!
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Post by warofwords on Jan 26, 2009 4:33:08 GMT
In this powerful essay, Uri Avnery writes that Israel's latest assault on Gaza has backfired spectacularly for the country's long-term interests. He writes, "Seared into the consciousness of the world will be the image of Israel as a bloodstained monster, ready at any moment to commit war crimes and not prepared to abide by any moral restraints. This will have severe consequences for [Israel's] long-term future, our standing in the world, our chance of achieving peace and quiet." Avnery also writes that the true purpose of Israel's invasion, "(apart from gaining seats in the coming elections) is to terminate the rule of Hamas in the Gaza Strip. In the imagination of the planners, Hamas is an invader which has gained control of a foreign country. The reality is, of course, entirely different." Yet, he argues, "Even if the Israeli army were to succeed in killing every Hamas fighter to the last man, even then Hamas would win. The Hamas fighters would be seen as the paragons of the Arab nation, the heroes of the Palestinian people, models for emulation by every youngster in the Arab world. The West Bank would fall into the hands of Hamas like a ripe fruit, Fatah would drown in a sea of contempt, the Arab regimes would be threatened with collapse." www.alternet.org/audits/121848 |
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Post by limeylily on Jan 26, 2009 16:48:42 GMT
Slimey, There are all actually defined as Non War Deaths by the Commonwealth War Graves Commission - something I've enquired about - because being shot through the back of the head by a Stern Gang punk in no way can be classed as a Non War Death. Its murder by a terrorist, in that case a Jewish Terrorist. Needless to say I'm still waiting on a reply. A tad too sensitive maybe? Captain Sweaty Sock - you got your reply. So you don't know if those non-war deaths were caused by Arabs or Jews. According to my uncle they were more likely to get a knife in their backs from Arabs when they got paid - but then he wasn't a Jew hating cnut. He actually found the Jews quite civilised but wouldn't give a fcuk for the camel loving neanderthals. |
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