Breathtaking sanctimony from MONG

[yord]

"Only swivel-eyed rightwing lunatics like the Tories think it's best to let the recession rip unchecked"

yeah lets just chuck another couple of billion that we aint got at it and watch that also dissapear into thin air

[yord]

no wonder youve been planting stuff in your garden

[policecar]

It isn't so much cutting back on spending to create new jobs (always a good idea) as propping up inefficient current ones omni. By preserving the status quo you're entering into quasi protectionism.

[omnipleasant]

It's not just inefficient businesses that are going to the wall. Even decent ones are suffering because they can't get credit.

[yord]

decent business dosnt need credit

[flatandy]

Jan 26, 2009 15:53:15 GMT @omnipleasant said:

Planning, design, tender processes, recruitment, etc etc.

I suppose it's true that alone would boost the economy - but the real meat of the spending would only start coming through later, when we could be spending it now.

I'm not against it, I think it's actually a pretty attractive idea - I just personally think the money could be better spent right now, whilst building stuff that is ready to go sooner than planned.

Ride roughshod over the planning and tendering processes. Let recruitment start now.

And, anyway, the recession is a 2 year recession, may as well have the spending starting to build up over the course of the next year and have it fully on stream whilst we're still in recession.

And what could the money be spent on now, better?

[ricklinc]

You don't spend on jobs. That's what the fat creepy one-eyed incompetent did to give us such a massive public sector and the draining future pensions bill. You fund projects that mean something and jobs happen without all that tedious having to find something for yet another pointless bureaucrat to do. Even without the recession Brown has run this country into the ground for our children.

[flatandy]

Jan 26, 2009 16:10:42 GMT policecar said:

It isn't so much cutting back on spending to create new jobs (always a good idea) as propping up inefficient current ones omni. By preserving the status quo you're entering into quasi protectionism.

If you're going to prop up inefficient jobs at any time, it should be now, in a recession. Let those jobs go to the wall at other times when there are other employment opportunities available.

[tedward]

Time for Clunk to go

[yord]

the biggest mistake that anyone can make here is to think that this is a reccession

[omnipleasant]

"And what could the money be spent on now, better?"

Personally - I think tax cuts for the least well off, and the existing public sector infrastructure, more doctors, more teachers, more social workers, buying new kit for hospitals and books for schools, giving wards and classrooms a lick of paint etc.

I suspect that's more what the IMF pointy-head had in mind rather than airports in the Thames Estuary, too.

[yord]

tax cuts lmfao , theyre not going to have feckin jobs to pay tax you half wit

[omnipleasant]

Most people have jobs, yord.

[policecar]

nice idea Andy but the world doesn't "normally" work like that - in boom times even an inefficient dinosaur can bumble along in survival mode delaying the inevitable. A recession is usually the reset button on the global economy. Gordon Brown is a cyber-Luddite effectively.

[yord]

and no fecker with any finacial sence is going to start taking on employees in the UK

[ricklinc]

Jan 26, 2009 16:20:04 GMT @omnipleasant said:

"And what could the money be spent on now, better?"

, more doctors, more teachers, more social workers, buying new kit for hospitals and books for schools, giving wards and classrooms a lick of paint etc.

I suspect that's more what the IMF pointy-head had in mind rather than airports in the Thames Estuary, too.

You dimwit. You've been bragging for years that that's what nu labour have been doing all along. You left out more policemen and that confused me for a moment because I forgot that crime has fallen to zero under Brown. Simple error on my part, I've been looking around instead of relying on government statistics.

[yord]

"Most people have jobs, yord.2

WATCH THIS SPACE

[omnipleasant]

That is what Labour have been doing Rick.

But not enough because they've been too wedded to the rightwing, conservative, free market ideology that has got us into this mess.

[flatandy]

I don't fully agree, Omni. Money needs to be spent on rebuilding infrastructure anyway - but also it's much better if it's spent on cool, high visibility, high profile projects. Better for public confidence, and also better for people to feel like there's industry afoot. A few extra MRI scanners for hospitals pays lots of money to German high-tech industries, but does little for the UK economy. Recruiting more doctors helps the Indian and Tanzanian economies, but not the British one where there are no doctors to be employed.

Teachers need to be trained up, as do social workers.

All nice ideas, but they aren't the stuff that will properly kick start the economy with insanely expensive, very very cool, large scale, glamorous projects.

The idea that we all want more syringes is a bit of a pussy one. We want massive, cool things.

Build giant pyramids out of used cars in fields in Lincolnshire or something, if you can't be bothered to build a severn tidal barrage. The Olympics is very good, but we need more stuff like that in other parts of the country.

[policecar]

But not enough because they've been too wedded to the rightwing, conservative, free market ideology that has got us into this mess.

Even after over a decade in power and an implausibly large mandate from the British public to do what they want the fact Mong has fuucked it sideways is still down to the.............

you guessed it...................The Tories