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Post by cobblers on Feb 2, 2009 16:15:55 GMT
"no reason why Jews won't be getting in on it same as the Christians are"
No mention of muslims in your worldview of intolerance I see. Have you subliminally programmed yourself not to say the 'I' or 'M' words? It's just christians and Jews causing mischief?
"It's just the current vogue for religious types to wail that they're offended and persecuted and victimised and not being given enough respect and whatever"
Damn those pesky Jews and Christians, they're ruining the peace and calm of Britain!
What a load of blinkered distorted stupid bollox.
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Post by avieder on Feb 2, 2009 16:17:57 GMT
Hang on a minute. The bloke at the cricket club says they had complaints from Jewish groups and that their former Jewish president didn't like it - and you think he's fibbing. Now another Jew is telling you why Jews might object to the name and you still don't believe they might possibly do that? Out of interest, and with my own expectations of your anticipated reply, do you think it's all fibs about the Muslims complaining as well? Oh, hello there Witch or 'sad girl'.... Please read carefully: ""For example, one of our former presidents was Jewish and he didn't particularly like the name, although he just got on with it." And: If you are referring to me as saying "Jews might object to the name " The that the "might" does not mean that they will. BTW when in London we lived in Christchurch Ave. It never bothered us. Now, for you personally: I didn't miss your "chosen for what" ... Thank you !!! |
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Feb 2, 2009 16:18:03 GMT
I mentioned Christians because they are a long established religious group in the UK, much as the Jews are, and therefore more comparable to Jews.
Plus which, to be honest, I think you give Muslim arsewipes enough press all by yourself - the point of my post was to suggest to you that religious demands are not limited to the one faith you happen to have your knickers in a knot over.
Still, if it makes you happy, yes Muslims too are human and they too have over-sensitive silly people amongst their number.
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Feb 2, 2009 16:20:21 GMT
Seriously Avi, do fcuk off, or at least refrain from replying to my posts. You constantly miss the point of them, and I find your particular brand of bigotry very unappealing, and this'll be the last thing I direct at you.
For what it's worth, I wasn't talking to you at all in the post you quote and you have entirely missed its point. I'm grateful though as you've proved my point that the tendency of the religious to spot victimisation absolutely everywhere is indeed an inter-faith ability.
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Post by cobblers on Feb 2, 2009 16:28:05 GMT
"if it makes you happy, yes Muslims too are human and they too have over-sensitive silly people amongst their number"
That too is distortion. 'Muslims too...'? Why are you distorting the true picture?
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Feb 2, 2009 16:36:58 GMT
Eh? Muslims are human and some of them are idiots is a distortion of the true picture? Have you been at the sauce?
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Post by Victor Meldrew on Feb 2, 2009 16:42:46 GMT
Now this is way over the top. A great laugh, but completely OTT.
What nutter Jewish group would be complaining about Middlesex CCC nicknaming themselves crusaders? Blimey, the word crusade or crusader is used so frequently by protest groups and individuals, whoever objects to its use must be frazzled to the nerves trying to get it stopped.
Personally, I'd like to see Middlesex say "up yours" to the lot of the poor sensitive souls and go one further. Redesign their Sunday League whites to accommodate a massive red cross (crusader style) on the front of the shirts from the neck down to the waistband of the trousers. They can leave the helmets in the dressing room and come out wearing chainmail head protectors instead.
Those cricket guys have no marketing skill whatsover. Instead of really getting into the whole crusader thing, they change to panthers just to appease the poor upset little darlings. My marketing ideas would have netted them a fortune, but now all I can say is sod 'em. They deserve all the lost revenue they get.
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Post by Scooby Do on Feb 2, 2009 16:49:07 GMT
Well spotted Victor, "Crusade" is just a word, It's not specific to any race, religon, or cause
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Feb 2, 2009 17:04:21 GMT
Hmm. A bit of googling brings up the suggestion (from an MCC fan, not from anyone in any sort of authority, mind) that it's all to do with marketing abroad, and that very probably nobody complained but MCC reckon there's lots of lucre available in Asian markets that might be encouraged to head their way in larger quantities if they have a name that isn't Crusaders.
So it may be the case that nobody in England complained at all.
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Post by cobblers on Feb 2, 2009 17:14:10 GMT
Eh? Muslims are human and some of them are idiots is a distortion of the true picture? Have you been at the sauce? It was the way you phrased it 'muslims too' after the way youd just suggested christians and jews were the most offence-prone religions. As though muslims were the least likely to assert themselves in matters of public life. Like I said, a distortion of the true picture. Question is, why? |
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Post by Charles Martel on Feb 2, 2009 17:17:07 GMT
Contrary to what the title suggests, what most likely transpired is that 99.9% of the complainers were Muslims, and there was one ultra-leftist Jew who got his knickers in a twist, and so it's suggested the complainers were "Muslims and Jews", when the truth is that the well-integrated Jews (who you CANNOT distinguish from any other "W.A.S.P." Briton if they don't tell you they were Jewish) never have a problem with the word "crusade" (which has lost all of its original meaning - see "crusade" on drugs, "crusade" on poverty) unlike the unintegrated Muslims.
In New Zealand, there is a Rugby team called the Canterbury CRUSADERS, who are arguably the most successful Provincial Rugby team in the World, having won more Super-14 (formerly Super-12) competition than any other franchise. As for how did the Crusaders get their name? The team is based in the NZ city of Christchurch (get it?). Not only are they unapologetic about their name, their parades explicitly include knights wielding swords and wearing armour bearing crosses. Let's see the knicker-twisters complain about this one!
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Feb 2, 2009 17:19:57 GMT
Eh? Muslims are human and some of them are idiots is a distortion of the true picture? Have you been at the sauce? It was the way you phrased it 'muslims too' after the way youd just suggested christians and jews were the most offence-prone religions. As though muslims were the least likely to assert themselves in matters of public life. Like I said, a distortion of the true picture. Question is, why? I think you're distorting the picture here. I said all religions contain a number of offence-prone idiots. I made absolutely no suggestion whatsoever as to whether any contain a higher percentage of such people, mainly because a) I don't think it's likely and b) even if I did think it likely, I have no stats whatever to back it up. Muslims too was to appease you, you daft bark. You said that essentially you find it impossible to believe that Jews can take offence at non-offensive things. I said that they are humans and there's no reason to suppose them incapable of anything on the grounds that they're Jews. The Christian reference I made because I noticed only today that there's some legal advice body set up to advise Christians on how best to milk the victim train (sorry, probably they would say on how to help Christians who are the victims of discrimination over their religion). Then you started on at me for not mentioning the M word so I said yes ok, them too, of course. How much more clear can this be? |
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Post by cobblers on Feb 2, 2009 17:20:31 GMT
Eh? Muslims are human and some of them are idiots is a distortion of the true picture? Have you been at the sauce? It was the way you phrased it 'muslims too' after the way youd just suggested christians and jews were the most offence-prone religions. As though muslims were the least likely to assert themselves in matters of public life. Like I said, a distortion of the true picture. Question is, why? |
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Post by Charles Martel on Feb 2, 2009 17:20:56 GMT
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Post by puffin on Feb 2, 2009 17:27:06 GMT
Confusion as Middlesex change their name
Cricinfo staff
February 2, 2009
In a move that is likely to stir even more unrest within the already unhappy ranks of the county's membership, from next season the Middlesex Crusaders will be known as the Middlesex Panthers.
The very low-key admission came from Vinny Codrington, the county's chief executive, who denied that the change had been caused by political correctness, but then seemed to contradict himself in an interview with the Sun newspaper. "We have had one or two complaints from our Muslim community and our Jewish community and we obviously pay attention to that.
"There have been people who have found the name rather upsetting. For example, one of our former presidents was Jewish and he didn't particularly like the name, although he just got on with it. The name was nothing whatsoever to do with the Crusades in the 11th and 12th century."
The Crusaders name is a fairly recent development, coming about in the early 1990s when marketing men decided that county names in isolation were not appealing enough. Middlesex's Crusader nickname originated as a reflection of the three seaxes on the county crest. A seaxe, or seax, is an Old Saxon sword dating to a period before the Crusades, but that subtly appears to have been lost when the nickname was decided.
"It's like Manchester United changing their name," one member told the Sun. "But because of a tiny minority we're being stripped of it. It seems like a waste of time and money."
Another told Cricinfo that he believed the change was down to Middlesex's desire to be marketable in the subcontinent were they to again qualify for the Champions League. "The county wants to be as PC as possible, so they have tackled a problem that simply doesn't exist," he said.
© Cricinfo
And there you have it.
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Post by Victor Meldrew on Feb 2, 2009 17:34:15 GMT
Nice one, Charles. That was the sort of thing I was getting at.
Hey, but even I never thought about the horses, and the swords instead of cricket bats. That's sheer genius, man. Keep those ideas flowing, and I may offer you a partnership in my sports marketing agnecy.
Middlesex, you losers. See what you've missed out on now? Serves you right too. ;D
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Feb 2, 2009 17:38:24 GMT
Horses on a cricket pitch? I know it's the most boring and staid game ever invented but surely they need a nice well kept even pitch?
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Post by Charles Martel on Feb 2, 2009 17:39:41 GMT
Victor, did you have another name on News?
I was Patriotic Kiwi, and as far as I can tell, NO ONE in NZ has *EVER* complained about the Canterbury Crusaders - although it did occur to me that some day in the future, Muslims and the ultra-PC may just have a problem. Now that the Middlesex team has provided precedence, that day may be sooner in coming.
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Post by tarrant on Feb 2, 2009 17:41:02 GMT
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Post by Charles Martel on Feb 2, 2009 17:41:35 GMT
VHW, please read my comment in #31. This is not the Middlesex cricket team. It's the Canterbury Crusaders (Rugby) in NZ. I am using it to highlight another example (probably more famous than the Middlesex cricketers who I've never heard of) where the name "Crusade" is used in a sporting franchise.
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