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Post by tarrant on Feb 3, 2009 13:49:31 GMT
Explain what you mean by "cause", then? Humanity evolved because, it appears, a bunch of chimps meandered on to the wrong bit of the rift valley and for some reason (fire? earthquake? whatever) couldn't get back and ended up in a different environment - basically savannah grassland. And in that environment those who were more capable of upright movement and had less impeding tails had a better chance of surviving. Effectively those more suited to land rather than tree-living. The environment changed and therefore the traits that were best adapted to survival in that environment were different, and the change in environment drove the development of those traits. Simple, really. What cause? I haven't said anything about cause. All life evolved because chance mutations create new characteristics. Most of these new characteristics are pathological and the individual organism dies. Occasionally a chance mutation creates a change which gives that organism a advantage in the fight for survival over other organisms and that organism then passes this mutation onto its offspring. |
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Post by mids on Feb 3, 2009 13:58:24 GMT
From the survey: Q3. Atheistic evolution is the idea that evolution makes belief in God unnecessaryandabsurd.InyouropinionisAtheisticevolution: What exactly is Atheistic evolution? Atheistic evolution is the idea that evolution makes belief in God unnecessary and absurd |
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Post by yord on Feb 3, 2009 13:58:27 GMT
"Occasionally a chance mutation creates a change" by chance ?
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Post by tarrant on Feb 3, 2009 14:04:17 GMT
Atheistic evolution is the idea that evolution makes belief in God unnecessary and absurd And what form of evolution would that be then? "Occasionally a chance mutation creates a change" by chance ? No. Occasionally a chance mutation creates a change that is advantagous to the organism is its fight for survival. |
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Feb 3, 2009 14:09:19 GMT
I think the problem with evolution is that if you believe in it, it makes it very unlikely that a fully formed God capable of really advanced stuff like creating planets and life just popped into existence without needing to evolve at alll.
Of course, believers can get round it by saying God can do magic and created himself that way cos he's so ace.
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Post by feral on Feb 3, 2009 14:18:47 GMT
Well something somewhere had to have popped into existence in the first place for evoltion to start .Either that or " something" was always there
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Feb 3, 2009 14:24:39 GMT
I think it is to do with chemical reactions and different chemicals emerging n stuff, but really this is way beyond my level of understanding (which, frankly, I am astonished to find is still superior to some people's).
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Post by flatandy on Feb 3, 2009 14:29:22 GMT
Yeah. Evolution says nothing at all about biogenesis.
And biogenesis is inevitably harder to see in action as we needed a super-hot high radiation planet sitting for a billion years before life developed, so it's pretty unlikely we'll be able to mimic that in a lab.
Anyway - I'd view "atheistic evolution" as saying nothing about the existence of god, merely saying that evolution happens independent and irrespective of any deity whether or not one exists.
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Post by feral on Feb 3, 2009 14:36:19 GMT
I think it is to do with chemical reactions and different chemicals emerging n stuff, but really this is way beyond my level of understanding (which, frankly, I am astonished to find is still superior to some people's). oh it's all beyond me as well -I only vaguely understand the big bang theory .My point was : who or what put the chemicals there in the first place ? |
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Post by bertrus2 on Feb 3, 2009 14:46:37 GMT
What is astonishing is that scientific illiterates, like Tarrant, should rate themselves as on the same level as people who know what they're talking about. As a scientific illiterate myself, I don't pontificate.
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Feb 3, 2009 14:49:56 GMT
My point was : who or what put the chemicals there in the first place ? Rocks from the Big Bang? And atmospheric conditions creating more chemicals and changing over time (lots of time) as they react and new chemicals came out of the earth's core through volcanic eruptions and stuff. I guess. It sounds a lot more probable than "God put it there," even on my woefully poor level of comprehension. |
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Post by omnipleasant on Feb 3, 2009 14:50:36 GMT
"My point was : who or what put the chemicals there in the first place ?"
Something being created out of nothing is a natural phenomenon in quantum theory, oddly enough.
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Post by omnipleasant on Feb 3, 2009 15:04:39 GMT
To the average person it might seem obvious that nothing can happen in nothing. But to a quantum physicist, nothing is, in fact, something. Quantum theory holds that probability, not absolutes, rules any physical system. It is impossible, even in principle, to predict the behavior of any single atom; all physicists can do is predict the average properties of a large collection of atoms. Quantum theory also holds that a vacuum, like atoms, is subject to quantum uncertainties. This means that things can materialize out of the vacuum, although they tend to vanish back into it quickly. While this phenomenon has never been observed directly, measurements of the electron's magnetic strength strongly imply that it is real and happening in the vacuum of space even now.
Theoretically, anything—a dog, a house, a planet—can pop into existence by means of this quantum quirk, which physicists call a vacuum fluctuation
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Post by feral on Feb 3, 2009 15:15:33 GMT
LMAO .So going on that theory if I just sit back and wait long enough ,one day I'll be rich .
Yea but omni the " nothing " they're going on about there is a vacuum .So where the hell did the vacuum come from? Or to put it another way -what put the nothing there ?
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Post by omnipleasant on Feb 3, 2009 15:21:15 GMT
"what put the nothing there ?"
No-one. There was nothing to "put" anywhere. Quite simply, absolutely nothing existed anywhere.
I suppose the problem is that "nothing" is a difficult concept for the human brain to comprehend, which is one reason we invent "God" to fill the void.
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Post by peakman on Feb 3, 2009 15:24:00 GMT
I think they are confused, it was not the planet that was created 10,000 years ago but a structure that represents the planet. For a further clue go to Isaiah 19: 19,20. And note that "pillar" may have been better translated as "Monument" as in the French version. So now you know or don't, whatever. ;D
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Feb 3, 2009 15:26:08 GMT
I suppose the problem is that "nothing" is a difficult concept for the human brain to comprehend No, it's easy. You can just say "What's so interesting about cricket?" and there you have it - nothing. |
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Post by omnipleasant on Feb 3, 2009 15:30:50 GMT
Soulless heathen.
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Post by yord on Feb 3, 2009 15:54:29 GMT
if you can dismiss beginings and ends its a piece of piss, dismiss time and everything falls into place. To prove what you preceive is wrong , even in this reality, is kids work
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Post by saddamy on Feb 3, 2009 16:05:37 GMT
Who created God??
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