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Post by Repat Van on Jan 16, 2015 10:19:10 GMT
Yeah I don't really understand the obsession with racial representation across the film (among many) industries in terms of some expected quota.
I do care about racial representation in terms of how people are represented and diversity of that representation instead of just racial stereotypes (nerdy, asexual East Asian the hot fiery Latina, the loud sassy black woman etc.) but not actual numbers.
I'd prefer that non white actors are given the same colour blind roles accorded to white actors. But numbers? *shrugs*
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Post by Eric on Jan 16, 2015 10:24:30 GMT
12 years a slave would've been better with a white man in the lead role.
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Post by unclejunior on Jan 16, 2015 12:01:01 GMT
Good old Al ,as reliable as a Swiss watch.I suspect he has nt seen Selma much less any of the others in the running.
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Post by wetkingcanute on Jan 16, 2015 12:01:13 GMT
They could have had Dear, Dear Larry Olivier.
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Post by Repat Van on Jan 16, 2015 12:08:56 GMT
God how far we've come (kind of.)
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Post by Repat Van on Jan 16, 2015 12:09:33 GMT
Good old Al ,as reliable as a Swiss watch.I suspect he has nt seen Selma much less any of the others in the running. Yes but, really that's the kind of thing I'm talking about.
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Post by wetkingcanute on Jan 16, 2015 12:25:13 GMT
Eyesbin a slave fo 12 years!!!!
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Post by flatandy on Jan 16, 2015 15:38:13 GMT
Selma's interesting from the race side of things.
From everything I've heard, it's a pretty prosaic, underwhelming film, so probably doesn't deserve much Oscar success.
And what nominations it has feel like they're just the Academy voting for what it's suppose to support. The Academy likes US emancipation history (12 Years, Lincoln); it likes BioPics; it likes triumph over adversity; it likes serious art about serious subjects.
Selma feels like perfect Oscar-bait, rather than a movie made for its own merits.
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On the other hand, it's been pointed out a handful of times that what few films have had success in the past when discussing the civil rights movement and so on have been astonishingly white in their point of view. Mississippi Burning, for example, is almost entirely white. The Help is mostly about how the nice white woman helped the poor black woman. And so on...
So Selma does, at least, offer something slightly different.
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All that said, Al Sharpton is talking bollocks. Does he want more black nominations? Because he might be struggling to find many films available that aren't made by Tyler Perry.
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Post by Eric on Jan 16, 2015 15:44:37 GMT
Of course it would be nonsense to have a quota system for Oscars. But it is reasonable to highlight the lack of racial diversity at what might be considered the cream of films and films making.
It might be that there is no issue and that black folk are too busy making music and avoid making films. But asking if there is a structural racism throughout the film industry is as valid as asking if there is structural sexism in the boardrooms of America.
If there is, only by asking can you identify the issue, and ask for a correction.
Not saying we should Al Sharpton's word for it, but it is a reasonable observation and deserves a thought out response.
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Post by flatandy on Feb 11, 2015 6:28:34 GMT
So, I've now seen all the films nominated for best picture.
About half (5, in fact) are decent. About half are almost unwatchably bad.
Gay Cambridge Scientist >> Handicapped Cambridge Scientist
US Right Wing False History > US Left Wing False History
Ersatz Mitteleuropa made up history >> Any US History.
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1 - The Imitation Game. Excellent film. Interesting subject matter. 2 - Grand Budapest Hotel. Lovely interwar Mitteleuropa. By far the most fun of the films. 3 - Whiplash. Genuinely good film about ambition and excess with lovely music and camera work 4 - Birdman. Interesting premise, and really, really nicely shot. But I hate films about actors almost as much as I hate books about writers. It screams lack of imagination. This was about as well as they could do considering that fact. 5 - Theory of Everything. Good acting. Lots of scenes felt like my childhood in Oxford and conversations my parents would have had. But I didn't much see the point of the film. 6 - American Sniper. Dull. Lots of Iraqis get shot. They're all bad guys so it's OK. Shooter feels slightly weird about it, but readjusting to civilian life is a bigger problem than shooting Arabs. 7 - Selma. Dreary re-run of history, very slow, desperate long lingering shots because there wasn't actually enough story. And it has Oprah in it. Blegh. Boring. 8 - Boyhood. They already did this with the 7-Up series. Except that had real people. Who weren't as boring. You'd be less bored watching a re-run of the 1994 World Cup Final on teletext.
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Post by rick49 on Feb 23, 2015 9:15:28 GMT
American Sniper won only one award for sound editing at the Oscar awards. Some of the elites didn't even applaud when the movie was announced. But at least the entitled elites were being well protected,,,by snipers. tinyurl.com/mtukhr5
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Post by auldhippy on Feb 23, 2015 10:04:47 GMT
Radio 4 interviewed the script writer for Selma, the director rewrote the script which made LBJ more of a racist (he certainly would have been a racist by today's standards) to avoid the film becoming "Whitey does good for the black man". In reality LBJ was for civil rights (with colourful terminology) but was scheduling to deal with it the following year & originally the script was about MLK outmanoeuvring LBJ.
Can't be sure it's not sour grapes by the writer who had his script messed with or if the director had a clearer vision of the story. Haven't seen it yet.
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Post by Gort on Feb 23, 2015 10:08:56 GMT
"Al Sharpton Calls For Emergency Meeting To Address 'Appalling' All-White Oscar Nominees""The Rev. Al Sharpton was left fuming mad after the Oscars revealed its all-white list of nominees for this year's Oscar awards on Thursday." "The movie industry is like the Rocky Mountains, the higher you get, the whiter it gets," Sharpton quipped in a statement released later in the afternoon." "Sharpton, a critic of the lack of diversity in Hollywood, also announced he was holding an "emergency meeting" next week to address the issue." "I have called an emergency meeting early next week in Hollywood with the task force to discuss possible action around the Academy Awards," he said. tinyurl.com/lpqfdt5Looks like The Baiter finally got bored with Ferguson. So I guess now the oscars must be awarded on a quota basis? I hate that fuking mook,, he is a racist piece of chicken shiit..
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Post by auldhippy on Feb 23, 2015 10:15:06 GMT
Theory of Everything was just an unashamedly good love story, unusual in that it included the end of the love story, didn't need any more "point to it".
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Post by jimboky on Feb 23, 2015 13:14:33 GMT
Who cares what Hollywood thinks of it's self, I have long avoided any award show, I would think the test of a movie is it's sales numbers
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Post by flatandy on Feb 23, 2015 14:41:06 GMT
American Sniper won only one award for sound editing at the Oscar awards. Some of the elites didn't even applaud when the movie was announced. But at least the entitled elites were being well protected,,,by snipers. tinyurl.com/mtukhr5Yes. And? That's because it wasn't a very good film.
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Post by jimboky on Feb 23, 2015 14:52:04 GMT
It had a good Box Office sales, apparently, some disagree, I haven't yet seen it
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Post by flatandy on Feb 23, 2015 14:56:12 GMT
Radio 4 interviewed the script writer for Selma, the director rewrote the script which made LBJ more of a racist (he certainly would have been a racist by today's standards) to avoid the film becoming "Whitey does good for the black man". In reality LBJ was for civil rights (with colourful terminology) but was scheduling to deal with it the following year & originally the script was about MLK outmanoeuvring LBJ. Can't be sure it's not sour grapes by the writer who had his script messed with or if the director had a clearer vision of the story. Haven't seen it yet. Reckon that's bollocks. It's a bad film, but it's not that harsh on LBJ. I'm sure they mucked around a bit with history to make a better film (every single docu-drama/bio-pic/etc does that). But they made it very clear that LBJ was going to try and pass the voting rights act, but didn't want to that year because he wanted to get other legislation passed first and because, having passed the Civil Rights Act, he was conscious that he had already used political capital on equal rights and wanted to focus on improving the social welfare of the country.
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Post by wetkingcanute on Feb 23, 2015 15:04:16 GMT
Click to enlarge My view of American Sniper
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Post by flatandy on Feb 23, 2015 15:22:53 GMT
As I've almost never said in the past, I'm actually not unhappy with any of the Oscar results from last night. There are choices I wouldn't have made, but nothing's an outrage.
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