auldhippy
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Post by auldhippy on Feb 23, 2015 18:13:13 GMT
Hahaha brilliant & so so true.
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Post by rick49 on Feb 23, 2015 18:38:10 GMT
American Sniper won only one award for sound editing at the Oscar awards. Some of the elites didn't even applaud when the movie was announced. But at least the entitled elites were being well protected,,,by snipers. tinyurl.com/mtukhr5Yes. And? That's because it wasn't a very good film. A bit hypocritical of them to look down their noses, and most of Hollywood does, at the movie, and then enjoy/bask in the protection of snipers.
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Post by flatandy on Feb 23, 2015 18:40:56 GMT
Why is it hypocritical? Are you saying that if you support the existence of snipers, you should give an oscar to every film about snipers, no matter how bad it is?
If you support the existence of the voting rights act, you should give Selma an oscar, not matter how bad it is?
If you approve of the space program, you should give oscars to absolutely every terrible movie ever made about spaceflight?
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Post by auldhippy on Feb 23, 2015 18:46:43 GMT
If you need snipers in your own country it's a truly fecked up country.
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Post by rick49 on Feb 23, 2015 19:18:17 GMT
"Boycotting Selma Because LBJ Deserved Better"blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2015/01/selma_movie_lbj_distortion.php"Historians aren't big fans of 'Selma' depiction of LBJ"tinyurl.com/notv4bs"What 'Selma' Gets Wrong About LBJ"tinyurl.com/khdofvuPeople came out of that movie hating LBJ for his "opposition" to MLK and the civil rights movement, when nothing could be further from the truth. Meanwhile, the Kennedy's, who did pretty much nothing but issue platitudes about civil rights, actually had MLK's phone wiretapped. But they are still lionized as great civil rights leaders.
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Post by rick49 on Feb 23, 2015 19:19:56 GMT
If you need snipers in your own country it's a truly fecked up country. I would imagine every country uses snipers on it's own soil.
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Post by flatandy on Feb 23, 2015 19:35:57 GMT
The UK certainly does.
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Post by rick49 on Feb 23, 2015 19:38:14 GMT
"Why is it hypocritical? Are you saying that if you support the existence of snipers, you should give an oscar to every film about snipers, no matter how bad it is?"
I believe their opposition to it is based more on it's content than on it's acting, etc.
"If you support the existence of the voting rights act, you should give Selma an oscar, not matter how bad it is?"
A lot of people do.
"If you approve of the space program, you should give oscars to absolutely every terrible movie ever made about spaceflight?"
Yes!
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Post by rick49 on Feb 23, 2015 20:09:12 GMT
"In the film, President Johnson resists King’s pressure to sign a voting rights bill, which—according to the movie’s take—is getting in the way of dozens of other Great Society legislative priorities. Indeed, “Selma’s” obstructionist LBJ is devoid of any palpable conviction on voting rights. Vainglorious and power hungry, he unleashes his zealous pit bull, FBI chief J. Edgar Hoover, on King, who is determined to march in protest from Selma to Montgomery despite LBJ’s warning that it will be “open season” on the protesters." "This characterization of the 36th president flies in the face of history. In truth, the partnership between LBJ and MLK on civil rights is one of the most productive and consequential in American history." tinyurl.com/kkfznbb"Drawing particular fire are factual inaccuracies such as a scene where Johnson asks the director of the FBI at the time, J Edgar Hoover, to discredit King. The president also is shown green lighting a decision to send King a tape recording of the civil rights leader engaging in an extramarital affair." "Later, the movie implies that MLK missed the first Selma march because he was busy trying to repair his marriage after his wife had listened to the tape." "While the FBI did monitor King at the time - and did send a threatening letter to his house that hints at an audiotape - the film takes artistic license with both the timeline and LBJ's involvement." "In fact, Selma was LBJ's idea, he considered the Voting Rights Act his greatest legislative achievement, he viewed King as an essential partner in getting it enacted - and he didn't use the FBI to disparage him," Califano writes in an opinion piece for The Washington Post. www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-30704490
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Post by Repat Van on Feb 23, 2015 20:12:33 GMT
Yes. And? That's because it wasn't a very good film. A bit hypocritical of them to look down their noses, and most of Hollywood does, at the movie, and then enjoy/bask in the protection of snipers. Not sure it's hypocritical. They're allowed to think a movie is sh*t.
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Post by Repat Van on Feb 23, 2015 20:13:39 GMT
It had a good Box Office sales, apparently, some disagree, I haven't yet seen it Box office sales doesn't really mean a film is Oscar worthy.
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Post by auldhippy on Feb 23, 2015 20:22:29 GMT
Nor does box office mean they all enjoyed the film.
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Post by flatandy on Feb 23, 2015 20:49:58 GMT
Indeed. I paid to go and see American Sniper and Selma, for example.
But yes, by Jimbo's metric Tranformers 97:Wind From My Arse was more popular, and therefore a better film, than Whiplash.
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Post by Marshall on Feb 24, 2015 0:00:43 GMT
Didn't watch any of it. Heard Lady Gaga did a great Sound of Music number.
I wonder, how did they play (skew?) the way the political parties factored into the Civil Rights vote in Selma? Was it Democrats for and Republicans against (i.e. wrong)?
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Post by flatandy on Feb 24, 2015 0:05:22 GMT
Well, a few things: The civil rights act was already passed. This was the voting rights act.
Also, it's not really a party political film. Mostly it's about MLK and John Lewis and so on and how they created their strategies.
As much as party is mentioned, I think I remember it being fairly clear that George Wallace was from the same party as LBJ.
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Post by Marshall on Feb 24, 2015 0:11:27 GMT
Ha, ok. Didn't know much about the film, but if it's not overly political it may be worth a watch.
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Post by flatandy on Feb 24, 2015 0:28:55 GMT
It's political, but not really party political. It's not a terrible movie, I suppose, but I found it pretty dull.
Last night's actual Oscar show wasn't great, but as you say, Lady Gaga was surprisingly excellent.
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Post by Repat Van on Feb 24, 2015 2:22:18 GMT
I never watch the Oscars - the luvvies piss me off.
The only thing that interests me are the dresses.
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Post by clarity on Feb 24, 2015 4:05:13 GMT
I have never watched the Oscars. It all seems so phoney.
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Post by Eric on Feb 24, 2015 8:32:06 GMT
Not inclined to watch such a self congratulatory fest, I missed this comment:
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