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Apr 12, 2024 17:03:40 GMT
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Post by Repat Van on Apr 12, 2024 17:03:40 GMT
To be fair, the gang culture is utterly entrenched on the non-clinical side. The NHS is, by a wide margin, the most corrupt organisation I have ever worked in. Small c corruption. People just not doing their jobs properly, or indeed at all. I see my colleagues apologising for things they haven't done wrong, just to avoid any further investigation. This happens all the time. Jobs for the girls. Keep everything on the DL until retirement. I thought you worked for the NHS for all of a fortnight.
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Apr 12, 2024 18:01:29 GMT
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Post by voice on Apr 12, 2024 18:01:29 GMT
Yeah, but, legend in his own mind that he is, he's now the foremost expert in all things NHS. It helps he's long had an unhinged hatred for it mind, good preparation.
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Apr 12, 2024 22:12:23 GMT
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Post by perrykneeham on Apr 12, 2024 22:12:23 GMT
To be fair, the gang culture is utterly entrenched on the non-clinical side. The NHS is, by a wide margin, the most corrupt organisation I have ever worked in. Small c corruption. People just not doing their jobs properly, or indeed at all. I see my colleagues apologising for things they haven't done wrong, just to avoid any further investigation. This happens all the time. Jobs for the girls. Keep everything on the DL until retirement. I thought you worked for the NHS for all of a fortnight. Yeah, but you're an idiot. Six months is enough. They want more.
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Post by flatandy on Apr 23, 2024 14:03:00 GMT
I wonder if this belongs on the "Men, Eh?" thread. Women doctors are less likely to kill men than men doctors, and are even less likely to kill women than men doctors: www.independent.co.uk/news/health/hospital-death-rates-doctor-b2532796.htmlWhy are male doctors such shits? (I have a couple of theories which suggests that it's not all actually gender, but the Independent doesn't bother to let us know quite important things about the stats).
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Post by mids on Apr 23, 2024 14:07:05 GMT
Possibly because male doctors take on riskier patients due to experience or betterness. Same reason you sometimes see "top" hospitals with poorer survival rates because they have a crack at the worst ones. Or else it's all voice's doing.
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Apr 23, 2024 14:08:45 GMT
Post by flatandy on Apr 23, 2024 14:08:45 GMT
I was thinking more likely that as the gender unbalance unwinds, more male doctors are older. Which matches your experience thing, but might also just be distance from training. We really need to know if these are survival rates for equivalent docs with the same number of years in the job doing the same kinds of surgeries.
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Apr 23, 2024 14:36:33 GMT
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Post by voice on Apr 23, 2024 14:36:33 GMT
There are still many cases of male Drs not taking women's health complaints seriously, it's not uncommon for women to be over prescribed antidepressants by male Drs when men would be offered more investigations to find the real issue. It's all about their attitude to women's health really. So it's not much of a suprise male Drs kill more women.
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Post by flatandy on Apr 23, 2024 15:48:28 GMT
That explains why women have worse outcomes from murderous men docs than from women docs. It doesn't explain why men have worse outcomes from mendocs.
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Apr 23, 2024 16:07:11 GMT
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Post by perrykneeham on Apr 23, 2024 16:07:11 GMT
Also, chickdocs may have been in the job for the same time, but had less experience because they've been off having kids and waterworks issues.
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Apr 23, 2024 16:30:47 GMT
Post by mids on Apr 23, 2024 16:30:47 GMT
There are a few things not discussed. Time of treatment- do male docs treat more people at night (or the weekend) when carking it is more likely. Do male docs take on more work when senior doctoresses are away having a hot flush? Do male docs work longer hours to make up for the doctoresses childcare/laziness? Do senior doctors do more mentoring with junior doctoresses because they're pressured to or want to shag them? Questions, questions.
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Apr 23, 2024 16:44:56 GMT
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Post by Repat Van on Apr 23, 2024 16:44:56 GMT
I wonder if this belongs on the "Men, Eh?" thread. Women doctors are less likely to kill men than men doctors, and are even less likely to kill women than men doctors: www.independent.co.uk/news/health/hospital-death-rates-doctor-b2532796.htmlWhy are male doctors such shits? (I have a couple of theories which suggests that it's not all actually gender, but the Independent doesn't bother to let us know quite important things about the stats). I read a similar thing ages ago that female surgeons have better outcomes.
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Apr 23, 2024 16:45:45 GMT
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Post by perrykneeham on Apr 23, 2024 16:45:45 GMT
Financially?
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Apr 23, 2024 16:47:27 GMT
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Post by Repat Van on Apr 23, 2024 16:47:27 GMT
I wonder if this belongs on the "Men, Eh?" thread. Women doctors are less likely to kill men than men doctors, and are even less likely to kill women than men doctors: www.independent.co.uk/news/health/hospital-death-rates-doctor-b2532796.htmlWhy are male doctors such shits? (I have a couple of theories which suggests that it's not all actually gender, but the Independent doesn't bother to let us know quite important things about the stats). It says female medics practice medicine differently but not much more than that. It does suggest male medics underestimate female pain and also that women may be more comfortable opening up to female doctors but that doesn’t explain why the results for male patients are also better with female doctors. It will be interesting to see what further analysis reveals. (They should do a similar study in the USA with all the current whining about DEI)….
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Apr 23, 2024 16:48:12 GMT
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Post by perrykneeham on Apr 23, 2024 16:48:12 GMT
I wonder if this belongs on the "Men, Eh?" thread. Women doctors are less likely to kill men than men doctors, and are even less likely to kill women than men doctors: www.independent.co.uk/news/health/hospital-death-rates-doctor-b2532796.htmlWhy are male doctors such shits? (I have a couple of theories which suggests that it's not all actually gender, but the Independent doesn't bother to let us know quite important things about the stats). I read a similar thing ages ago that female surgeons have better outcomes. Oh, well. That's that then.
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Apr 23, 2024 16:49:46 GMT
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Post by Repat Van on Apr 23, 2024 16:49:46 GMT
Also, chickdocs may have been in the job for the same time, but had less experience because they've been off having kids and waterworks issues. Surely less experienced medics have greater risk of harm to patients not less. (Also I am pretty sure that now male medics are now also on the parental leave thing. Hurrah!)
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Post by flatandy on Apr 23, 2024 16:56:29 GMT
Surely less experienced medics have greater risk of harm to patients not less. Not necessarily. Old docs are further away from training, maybe are less receptive to the idea of new treatments and technologies, might have just got old and jaded and lazy. In theory experience should bring more competence, but it doesn't always.
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Apr 23, 2024 16:59:08 GMT
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Post by Repat Van on Apr 23, 2024 16:59:08 GMT
Ok I was able to find it. This was what I read previously (not a UK study). Results of separate studies completed in Canada and Sweden. amp.theguardian.com/society/2023/aug/30/female-surgeons-patient-outcomes-better-studies“People who are operated on by female surgeons are less likely to experience complications and need follow-up care than when males wield the scalpel, according to two major studies that suggest male surgeons have important lessons to learn. Doctors in Canada and Sweden reviewed more than 1m patient records from two separate medical registers and found that patients seen by female surgeons had significantly better outcomes with fewer problems in the months after the operation. The researchers are investigating potential reasons for the differences, but the records suggest that female surgeons tend to operate more slowly and may achieve better results by taking their time in the operating theatre.“ And while looking for that I found this article with an interesting excerpt (specifically regarding surgeons in Japan): publishing.rcseng.ac.uk/doi/10.1308/rcsbull.2024.5#:~:text=Patients%20treated%20by%20female%20surgeons%20had%20fewer%20complications%20and%20shorter,profession%20rife%20with%20sex%20inequality. “The findings confirmed those of other studies demonstrating that women have the same or better outcomes than men even though they are working in a profession rife with sex inequality. A cohort study published in the British Medical Journal in 2022 found no differences in rates of patient death or complications between male and female surgeons in Japan despite the fact that female surgeons were more likely than male surgeons to be assigned high-risk patients.“ (You would expect the Japanese female medics to have worse patient outcomes if they are more likely to be assigned high-risk patients). But they aren’t.
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Apr 23, 2024 17:00:55 GMT
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Post by Repat Van on Apr 23, 2024 17:00:55 GMT
Surely less experienced medics have greater risk of harm to patients not less. Not necessarily. Old docs are further away from training, maybe are less receptive to the idea of new treatments and technologies, might have just got old and jaded and lazy. In theory experience should bring more competence, but it doesn't always. Maybe my prejudices but when seeing the GP I want them to have grey hairs and lines on their face. If they look like they just left school I don’t want them. Maybe I should change my attitude.
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Apr 23, 2024 17:02:09 GMT
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Post by perrykneeham on Apr 23, 2024 17:02:09 GMT
"that women have the same or better outcomes than men even though they are working in a profession rife with sex inequality"
Ah. Here's the objective of the research.
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Apr 23, 2024 17:11:11 GMT
Post by mids on Apr 23, 2024 17:11:11 GMT
You could argue that they were looking at the results wrong. The difference in mortality rates between male and female patients is the biggest difference by far. I expect that would have been the headline if the results were reversed.
"the mortality rate for female patients was 8.15 per cent when treated by women physicians in comparison to 8.38 per cent"
"the mortality rate for male patients treated by female doctors was 10.15 per cent - less than the 10.23 per cent rate for male physicians."
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